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Sigma Elementa

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« on: 03 February 2005, 14:06:11 »

I find this sad...but i've been triyng real hard to like Ashes since I got it....and well it doesent seem possible.  I mean..i'm all for the changes and all but I cant find the emotion and beauty of Tristania in these songs.  I mean..shadowman is a great song as well as cure..but I listen to the album and those 2 songs are the only ones I want to listen : (  Anybody feel the same way about ashes?

(does not change my love for the band...but if the continiue in this direction well I will probably loss interest in the band...once again, I still love this band  : )   )
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« Reply #1 on: 03 February 2005, 15:28:27 »

I can see your point, this direction may lose the band some fans, but it picks up new fans as well.

Personally I like this 'stripped' music, instead of all the bombastic stuff from the first two albums it has a more intimate (sp?) feeling to it. Most positive reviews hail the musical direction (most less positive/negative reviews are done by nostalgic people, 95% of them include "Morten" as argument). One reviewer wrote (in Dutch)  that (s)he was never intrested in Tristania, but was blown away by this album.

We can all try to convert each other, but it's all in your own opinion. :)
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« Reply #2 on: 03 February 2005, 15:47:42 »

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Personally I like this 'stripped' music, instead of all the bombastic stuff from the first two albums it has a more intimate (sp?) feeling to it. Most positive reviews hail the musical direction (most less positive/negative reviews are done by nostalgic people, 95% of them include "Morten" as argument). One reviewer wrote (in Dutch)  that (s)he was never intrested in Tristania, but was blown away by this album.

We can all try to convert each other, but it's all in your own opinion. :)
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Yeah, I think I fall into the category of those who like the bombastic stuff. I agree that Ashes may sound more "intimate" but I liked that coldness, infiniteness, space, majesty that emanated from the previous releases. I like more varied songs, songs with more layers, so that every time you listen to them there's something new you haven't heard the previous time, and you don't get bored of them.
I 'm not saying that Ashes is boring but compared to the other albums it's more naked, as Tjeerd wrote 'stripped'. Now I'm painstakingly listening to it and I like it more and more but it's just because I told myself that Tristania probably won't return to the previous sound. Probably the strongest reason  was that this is a very SPECIAL  band to me and I don't want to give it up without giving it a chance to win me again. I say 'again' because Ashes is a completely different Tristania
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« Reply #3 on: 03 February 2005, 17:14:40 »

Hmm... I love both, the bombastic and the less bombastic Tristania... and I'm pretty sure they'll try something different on their next album, and I 'll be very pleased if they use choirs and electronics more again...
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« Reply #4 on: 03 February 2005, 17:32:04 »

I'd have to second what Deadlocked said. I like the fact that Tristania attempted something different, and I think they did a great job with it. However, I do hope that they go back to their older ways becuase I think we won't need another Ashes trend for a while.

Let's just say I miss Tristania's older styles and would like to see them again.
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« Reply #5 on: 03 February 2005, 17:36:04 »

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and I 'll be very pleased if they use choirs ... again...
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Me too :)
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« Reply #6 on: 03 February 2005, 18:20:05 »

I want to be surprised by whatever they come up with next.
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« Reply #7 on: 03 February 2005, 18:21:38 »

I'm pretty sure you will whatever they do... :)
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« Reply #8 on: 03 February 2005, 18:27:11 »

I wasn't really surprised when I heard World of Glass for the first time. It wasn't as a big a change in style as Ashes was.
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« Reply #9 on: 03 February 2005, 18:36:40 »

No.. but it was quite different imho... no one of the songs of WOG would reallly fit on BTV or WW imho...
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« Reply #10 on: 03 February 2005, 18:44:36 »

I want to receive my copy so I can participate in these discussions!

But I think the key is having a wide range of styles that you like.  For me, any kind of metal, save for metalcore and extreme death metal/grind, is pretty much something to draw attention to.  I can go from listening to the elder Tristania albums to Epoch of Unlight in ten seconds and I derive the same enjoyment.  Thus, I don't look for another Weeds or Veil, or even WOG.  I don't want another.  Those three albums are splendid on their own, and I've noticed that all too often bands try to replicate successful earlier sounds, with poor to modest results.  So... I will wait patiently for Ashes... and I'll listen with an open mind.  If I like it, which judging from the samples I think I will, wonderful, but if not, at least the people that made it are doing what they want instead of trying to refabricate past shadows.
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« Reply #11 on: 03 February 2005, 18:48:07 »

yeah... i didn't meant they should copy themselves with saying that I won't be angry if they use choirs and more electronics again...  I'd even dislike that... but If they create with this elements a new style again I'm sure I'd really like it.. :)
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« Reply #12 on: 03 February 2005, 19:12:18 »

@maigan: I couldn't have said it any better.
Progress is really important for a band. If you prefer BtV style why hope for a cheap copy when you already have the original in your CD collection.
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« Reply #13 on: 03 February 2005, 23:07:36 »

I wouldn't mind something new again, but I can sure listen to some new choirs aswell. Other than that, if someone wished for a second BtV it wouldn't have to be exactly the same. Tristania is a smart band and from what they can do I am certain that another BtV(or whatever) would be possible and definetly another great album by Tristania.

They take pride in their work, I can't see them get lazy.
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« Reply #14 on: 04 February 2005, 00:19:13 »

Well for me...Tristania must do what they want..so if Ashes is what they want, its cool with me...like I said..it does not get me...that is me and that is my problem  :P   Of course it makes me sad a little bit cause I loved all of there previous work, but heck..I cant have all I want!  I am really opened in metal..it goes from death metal, to goth, to doom, to black, to folk so I dont think the reason why I like it less is being closed minded....the naked feeling of the album is just not for me....but heck, if you guys like it..well thats great for you  ; ) Everyone has a different opinion on a band and thats the way it should always be!
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« Reply #15 on: 04 February 2005, 02:43:02 »

I think it has something to do with that people can't stand Tristania isn't flowering their entire album with cheeseboards and the opera anymore.  Boohoo.     :lol:
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« Reply #16 on: 05 February 2005, 02:46:23 »

Welp, I've finally gotten tired of waiting for Nuclear Blast to deliver my limited edition version, so I went out and bought the 8-track at a local music store.  It's by far my least favorite Tristania album, but I won't say I don't like it.  I would've liked to have heard more of Mr. Bergoy, and that's about the only criticism I'll make until I've had a little more time to listen to it.
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« Reply #17 on: 06 February 2005, 00:42:32 »

Sounds like Anders bought the new Killswitch Engage and OD'd on it. Trying hard to be artsy and show his guitar prowess but....He has NO guitar prowess...none nilch nonnen nada. Stick to one chord in various positions and let Einar carry the songs.


Fool yourselves with artsy ass kissing/EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES SYNDROME but this is mainstream NU Metal period. I guess a tour with Disturbed is next huh.

Trist has 2 choices really....improve the song writing or change their name if they want to peddle this garbage.

 POSSIBLE NEW NAME "SHITSTAINIA"

All you babies that cry "don't compare Trist to Nightwish" need to stop crying. with this gay ass release, ASHES they have entered Nightwishes gay mainstream arena, so yes they can be compared now.

I'm selling my copy of ashes for 5 bucks.... any takers? It sucks
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« Reply #18 on: 06 February 2005, 03:16:50 »

Congrats.  You have written the first paragraph in a good few months here without any valid points.  You should be proud.  Have a cookie.
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« Reply #19 on: 06 February 2005, 08:07:38 »

@BTC:
Everybody's entitled to his own opinion, but projecting your own sexual insecurities on a band who disappointed your expectations is kind of low.
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