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« Reply #20 on: 20 December 2005, 07:15:18 »

How anyone can suggest that 'Ashes' is anywhere near as good as 'BtW' or 'WW' must be on drugs.

Sorry, but it's a different ball game altogether.
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« Reply #21 on: 20 December 2005, 07:15:20 »

Double post oh yeah!
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« Reply #22 on: 20 December 2005, 07:40:25 »

Its BtV :P and yes ashes is an excellent album
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« Reply #23 on: 20 December 2005, 11:13:12 »

yeah... am I on drugs?..:)
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« Reply #24 on: 20 December 2005, 14:46:37 »

Anyone who likes WW should be shot.  :rolleyes:


Requiem: opinions differ, but your statement is as bold as the one I posted here.

Disclaimer for those who didn't understand the :rolleyes:,  I was being sarcastic, even though my disliking for WW is real.
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« Reply #25 on: 21 December 2005, 18:10:13 »

okay tjeerd, i will go now, byebye, was nice to meet you guys...well my live is done..i like WW and know i 'm gonna die! *weeeeep*
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« Reply #26 on: 22 December 2005, 00:46:24 »

Tjeerd I thought you liked good music... nah I was wrong :P
You can like Ashes, but you can't compare it to BtV or WW. These are the essence of Tristania which can be listened in some Ashes songs too.
I think I just dislike Ashes for choosing Libre as single... I still remember my face when I listened to it the first time... I thought I got the wrong album!
If I wan't to listen to that music I listen to Cradle of Filth or Chilren of Bodom, but not my belowed Tristania...
I don't dislike that much Libre, but i suposse I was expecting something else... more deep and somehow "mysthic"...
Just my opinion i think, but there are many fans who shares my opinion.
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« Reply #27 on: 22 December 2005, 16:42:51 »

To tell you the the truth, I was a little disappointed in Ashes as well. Personally, I like Beyond the Veil the most. (by the way, please, stop using those silly abbreviations, the names of the  albums are wickedly cool, dont defile them ^^)
It's true that on Ashes, some songs are really quite, uhm, 'growly'. I don't dislike Death or Black Metal, but this is Tristania and I believe  they should stick to their own style. Beyond the Veil had a kind of mystic, esoteric sound that I hadn't ever heard before, and I've always loved it. Also, more dark vocals means less clean vocals, which sucks since I'm in love with Vibeke's voice. (Isn't Cure great?)

(Another little fact: on Beyond the Veil, there was that weird little sound... I dunno how to discribe it, I mean that drum-PANG-sound-thingy, anyone know what I mean? It's too bad Kenneth doesnt use that anymore...)
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« Reply #28 on: 22 December 2005, 18:12:09 »

ashes is a very good album, like any other tristanialabum as well... and the only abumsyou can really compare are ww and BEYOND THE VEIL (i wrote the wohle name... :D )... world of glass is jsut to different and ashes is completely something else...but every album is great imo!!! :lol:
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« Reply #29 on: 22 December 2005, 18:39:00 »

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(Another little fact: on Beyond the Veil, there was that weird little sound... I dunno how to discribe it, I mean that drum-PANG-sound-thingy, anyone know what I mean? It's too bad Kenneth doesnt use that anymore...)
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but that drumsound was done with computers.. :)
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« Reply #30 on: 23 December 2005, 10:54:57 »

Belruol: BtV & WW aren't the essence of Tristania, all the albums have it.

Besides, I wonder why BtV is linked to WW all the time. BtV is a good album with a nice production, while WW is a lot of the same riffing, boring productions and quite some lyrics which look like variations of Edgar Allen Poe's poem "The Raven". Granted, BtV had a lot of those lyrics as well, but they were often written by Morten Veland.
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« Reply #31 on: 23 December 2005, 18:17:23 »

the lyrics on ww are also written by morten...even if they sond like edagr eelen poe! :P
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« Reply #32 on: 23 December 2005, 22:37:00 »

Please Tjeerd, don't tell me you don't like Poe's poems or you will lose even more points!!!
BtV is the best gothic,doom album I have ever seen, but WW is not bad! Of course you have to understand that it was their first album... But Angellore or December Elegy are great! My lost Lenore is also very good in spite that it is claerly based on a very common romantic character...
WoW was a strange album but has great songs!
Ashes has good songs too, The Cure and Equilibrium are the best imho, I like clean voice songs with some growls not kjetil growling and Vibeke saying 4 things...
A Sequel of Decay structure would be the best!
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« Reply #33 on: 24 December 2005, 07:33:38 »

A Sequel of Decay structure would be the best!
-Amen

Ashes has good songs too, The Cure and Equilibrium are the best imho, I like clean voice songs with some growls not kjetil growling and Vibeke saying 4 things...
-Tristania has 3 vocalists t h r e e not just vibeke each has to have his turn and i believe the growling / clean times are divided

I think I just dislike Ashes for choosing Libre as single... I still remember my face when I listened to it the first time...
-Really? I Kinda went like this  :huh:  :D  :lol:  :wub:

It's true that on Ashes, some songs are really quite, uhm, 'growly'. I don't dislike Death or Black Metal, but this is Tristania and I believe they should stick to their own style.
-When compared to ashes, BtV has more growling and less Vibeke
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« Reply #34 on: 24 December 2005, 15:07:25 »

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but that drumsound was done with computers.. :)
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« Reply #35 on: 29 December 2005, 02:14:44 »

When I say clean you say Vibeke but as you well know there are 3 singers!!!
In equilibrium there are no growls... and the song is good the lyrics are nice and the music too!

In BtV there aren't so much growling, clean male voices mixed with grows very well!!
As I said before i don't dislike growlings, "The song Beyond the Veil" is great! and the growls come when you less expect them... but they are great!
I still don't like libre so much, idon't dislike it but is says nothing special to me...
Ashes is for tristania as Once is to Nightwish something radically different from the previus albums...
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« Reply #36 on: 30 December 2005, 04:49:29 »

The "extreme" vocals, if you will, on Ashes are far more reminiscent of an industrial almost Skinny Puppy type sound.  Thus is my displeasure with Ashes, not so much the actual voice or voices used, but the fact that Tristania have actually become far more electronic in places. Heavy electronic, such as I said "industrial", but undeniably more electronic. On that basis alone, I cannot ever see myself liking Ashes a quarter as much as I love Widows Weeds.

 My other problem with Ashes is the fact that the songs on the cd are arranged horribly, there is no flow to the cd. One soft, one heavy, one soft, one heavy, pretty, ugly, pretty, ugly,  I simply cannot get into any type of a groove with it.

Do I hate Ashes? Well, I dont think I could hate anything Tristania does, that is unless they go completely berzerk and pull a Theatre of Tragedy on us. That's what scares me tho in a way, with them becoming more electronic, thats how it always begins......





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Cecily, I cannot help but be embarassed for you by the big huge red "But we hate Hitler!" in your sig. Of course you do, who in their right mind would think just because someone is German or speaks German that they are some sort of Nazi? World War 2 has been over a very long time, I just wish that Germans would quit thinking they have to constantly apologise, constantly qualify themselves as non-nazi. There's no need for it, really, it's embarassing and approaching painfully trite.
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« Reply #37 on: 31 December 2005, 10:44:58 »

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Was it? I had no idea   B)
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Ashes is much less electronic than WOG, they aren't becoming more electronic, they just hired a second guitar player... so no fear.. they're not becoming another Theatre of Tragedy, their new album is going to be more doomier they said...
But you'll never get the old Tristania anymore, that's sure.

and about Hitler, Cecily wrote this regarding to a thread about Hitler:
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« Reply #38 on: 13 January 2006, 10:22:39 »

people for crying out loud... there is no such thing as the essence of a band in two albums!! Tristania's essence is in every damn album! stop it with bullshiting Ashes! just because it's different it doesn't mean it's not Tristania. it IS Tristania, it HAS the essence of Tristania and it's one of the best albums there is! period.

@Belruol... as far as i'm conceirned you can go lock yourself in your morten veland altar and leave us with our opinions and likings. thank you.

*sorry but all this Tristania with or without morten piss me off a little bit too much*
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« Reply #39 on: 14 January 2006, 11:05:16 »

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Please Tjeerd, don't tell me you don't like Poe's poems or you will lose even more points!!!


I've hardly read them, but I'm not much into poetry.

I like his short stories though (even though they differ a lot in genre and style).
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