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« on: 26 November 2005, 01:18:53 »

First I have to say I don't want to do a negative review of Ashes, I am just giving my opinion and some of my friend's one as well, I don't pretend to offend anyone by writting this-
When I first listened to Ashes I was a bit decepcionated with libre beggining... where is all that Orchestal sounds so common in BtV or WW? I think growl sounds are too much used this time, aproaching too much to Death style, which I may not dislike, but that wasn't what I expect to hear when I am listening to Tristania, where are those beautifull songs like My lost Lenore, A sequel of dacay, Decemer Elegy... where growl sounds where in its just quantity. I have passed whole evenings listening to BtV, WW, even WoG... but ashes...
Kjetil is a good singer but he appears too much in some songs for my opinion, the great contrast between good and evil("vibeke and Kjetil(sorry)") is good but vibeke apears less than expected. Clean vocals apears as a third dimension very good, and intermediate point (maybe mankind?) and that is great.
Of course not all in Ashes is bad!
One great point is that Clean Vocals are great! and Vibeke is better in each album! Their duet in Equilibrium is fantastic!
Sincerelly I liked the album, and I am willing to see it live(unfortunatelly not gigs anounced around here!),but not as much as I had expected, but I just hope next album would be a bit more melodical just like angellore,sequel of decay, my lost lenore...
There are lots of Death or somehow black melodical bands, but there is just one true Tristania style, but for how long?
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« Reply #1 on: 26 November 2005, 14:53:49 »

Morten is gone and somehow I understand that the band don't want to stick to their old sound, want to develope and try new things. I also think if they did than same as in BTV times, Sirenia and Tristania would be a bit to similar.
Nevertheless I don't like Ashes that much, beacuse its style deosn't appeal to me that much, but that's not the only thing, it's something missing which I can't describe, the magic I found esp. on BTV.
But it's no good complaining and mourning for the "old Tristania", I think. WW and BTV are such rich and enchanting albums, that you won't get tired of them.
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« Reply #2 on: 26 November 2005, 15:18:18 »

I think the band should continue exploring new sounds, but why rejecting something that really fulfilled our souls and hearts? I am not talking about morten or some or other effect. WW, BtV and even WoG will be among my favorite LPs forever, Ashes in the other hand is just another album, it is not my bellowed Tristania... I just hope that they will play lots of old songs live...
I am not expecting to hear BtV again, just new and good Tristania's songs! Maybe the next album fulfill better my expectatives, for now all I have to say, is that this is the worst of the 4 albums. Maybe with time I will begin to like it, I sincerely hope so. And btw I have to say I am a true Tristania's fan, and I am not moarning about morten, he did his work and left, now it's the bands work to do.
I have to say that Ashes is NOT a bad album anyway! I am just saying that I preffer the other Tristania's albums.
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« Reply #3 on: 26 November 2005, 18:07:50 »

Ok, I understand what you mean...you don't care if it's with Morten or without. I don't  appreciate world of Glass that much either, even if it has some really good songs. But I I'll keep quiet about that now....Don't want to be annoying, hehe

To the choirs and other elements: I think they' re going to use them again, they just wanted Ashes not to sound like WoG. Maybe they also thought that the choirs on WoG were a bit too much and so - in return for that - they didn't only reduce them beut decided not to use them at all. I understand this, but I hope the next album is going to be more balanced again (maybe I'll like it even without Morten ;))
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« Reply #4 on: 27 November 2005, 03:00:09 »

Considering the main composer of the choirparts was/is Einar and he's still in the band and considering he co-composed the "new" sound of Tristania, I think the next album will be in the style of [Ashes], but this is a guess.

By the way: I really like the Clannad-like "choir" in Endogenisis (male and female singing together).
« Last Edit: 27 November 2005, 03:01:33 by Tjeerd »
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« Reply #5 on: 27 November 2005, 03:03:31 »

That's the point, mournig about morten in or out won't make tristania better or worse, I just wanted to say that because of morten's departure they weren't forced to throw away all morten's work. Melodical parts were great, and I miss them in Ashes as well as choirs.
WoG is probably a bit worse as a full album than WW and BtV, but it is fulfilled with great songs wormwood, WoG, deadlocked,Selling out...
btw you are not annoying at all! :)
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« Reply #6 on: 27 November 2005, 11:12:09 »

WOG was without Morten too... I think Tristania will explore new ways as usual with every new album... so let them surprise as.. :)
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« Reply #7 on: 27 November 2005, 11:34:52 »

I like that they explore new sounds but without lossing its identity... As I said before, I like WoG so morten's departure isn't the problem, I think they just went on a wrong way. But they can always change its way...
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« Reply #8 on: 27 November 2005, 11:50:35 »

hmm.. imho Ashes is 100% Tristania... with a very unique and fresh sound...
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« Reply #9 on: 27 November 2005, 12:55:33 »

I would like to share your opinion. Maybe with time I will begin liking it as much as the others, I hope so! Sorry is anyone was annoyed by this thread...
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« Reply #10 on: 27 November 2005, 14:15:37 »

I doubt anyone is, so no worries. :)
« Last Edit: 27 November 2005, 14:15:53 by Tjeerd »
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« Reply #11 on: 27 November 2005, 18:00:34 »

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oh yes! I totally agree with you.

We canīt expect that tristania, the "New" tristania, the organic tristania, mantains the style that has come with WoG, BtV or Widows. I think that this is more an album of a BAND, to explore and explode the potentials of each one of them, that's why (i think) the choirs are now only of Vibeke and Osten, they wanted to sound as a band, without, maybe, sampling other voices, and sound less dependant of a Computer, or stuff like that Live.

I personally hated this album at first, i missed the violins and the choirs, and I disagreed  with Kjetil singing. but, after hearing it a lot of times, and maybe "diving" in the concept, I realized that this is, for me, the best album of tristania, because it Them...not asmples, not other people...its just them...

And I really don't miss Morten....
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« Reply #12 on: 27 November 2005, 18:22:00 »

I'm on Belruols side. When I first listend to ASHES, starting with such a heavy beginning I was totally shocked the first few seconds and thought I got the wrong CD.
If this was the first album of a band I would have liked it very much, but after WW,BtV and WoG ASHES is the least good album. I like the Tristania albums best in the order they appeared. (WW-...-ASHES) I hope this won't continue that way...
But I doubt that Morten is "responsible" for that, since I prefer ASHES to every Sirenia album.

However, I hope the next album won't be exactly in the same style as ASHES.
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« Reply #13 on: 27 November 2005, 20:02:06 »

Tristania wouldn't be Tristania if they put 2 same albums on the market.. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: 28 November 2005, 21:19:28 »

Right, what I ment was that I hope it won't be in such a heavy style and a bit more like WoG (if not WW or BtV).  :)
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« Reply #15 on: 29 November 2005, 16:40:02 »

By "heavy" style I suposse you meant death style... ANd yes I hope the next album will be more gothic and melodical than ashes...
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« Reply #16 on: 30 November 2005, 07:44:22 »

I don't know if you have read it already...some info about the next album are here: http://www.tristania.com/main_pages/news/021005.htm

sounds they don't look back...
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« Reply #17 on: 30 November 2005, 23:13:03 »

It doesn't says anything clearly, new album on next year before summer? that is quick!
The description is similar to Ashes isn't it? except for the industrial one.
So no melodical songs there.. unless we are lucky with the dark atmosphere songs...
I really liked the end part
"After the release we will be ready for heavy touring again..."
Sincerelly hope so.
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« Reply #18 on: 02 December 2005, 17:47:19 »

Probably similar... it's for sure more Ashes than World of Glass.

Hehe...yeah... touring is great.. :)
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« Reply #19 on: 08 December 2005, 22:25:45 »

I think tristania should focus more on Doom music
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