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Which do u prefer?

Ashes
- 57 (76%)
An Elixr for Existence
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« Reply #20 on: 12 June 2005, 18:48:20 »

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The fact that we are here, talking frequently about Tristania's thing, concerts, photos, releases... made us real fans!
We are not satisfy only going in concerts, buying cds and watching a new video!
We want to know Tristania closer!
So, if guys like us said that Tristania is alive without Morten, making song large better than Sirenia... in my opinion, this is what all is about!
People who said Tristania is dead after Morten, is the same guys who don't know nothing about the band, neither how much album it has!

I like Sirenia and Morten... but saying Tristania is only Morten Veland is a depressing thought, sorry.
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totally agree!

people who state that Tristania is Morten are not even fans imo. these people never gave the band a chance... i'm sure lots of them listened to WoG or Ashes once and said: "this is certainly the end of Tristania..". why? why this rejection towards changes?

another category of so called fans are those who worship Morten. i've heard so many say Tristania is dead without Morten and Sirenia is loads better but still they are old Tristania fans... no they're not! they're only Morten Veland fans, period.

Tristania and Sirenia are just fine the way they are; this departure of Morten was the best thing that could happen! just imagine what would have come out of Morten's ideas combined with Einar's and Anders' which are obviously very different...  Plus Sirenia never managed to reach the quality of BtV or WW simply because those albums were not composed only by Morten, but with the participation of the other members... this is another con for those who think Morten was the genius behind Tristania...

i guess this is all i had to say about this matter. Sirenia are good and Tristania (old AND new) are even better...
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« Reply #21 on: 14 June 2005, 14:56:00 »

My opinion on WW is infamous by now.

I fail to understand why BtV is often seen as Morten's work. Einar made a big part of it (maybe the majority) and Anders contributed to it as well.

On-topic:
I haven't heared AEoE, so I can't compare.
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« Reply #22 on: 29 June 2005, 01:24:58 »

Ashes is a very unpredictable album. Even after a few listens still has an awkward uneasy feeling to it. You have to really listen to it to enjoy it. As far as I can tell Morten seems to make albums catchier, more listanable and better organized/composed. He seems to be a bit of a perfectionist if you know what I mean. His albums with Sirenia from what I have heard were very perfect and predictable. As beautiful as they are there is nothing about them that really is all that different them every other female-fronted OMG GAFIC RAWK BAND except it has more talented musicians.
     Ever since Morten left Tristania has been pushing things like crazy and destroying that perfect little setup Morten had. Sure its not going to get  them any more plays on metal radio or any more fans in large numbers but 10-15 years from now there impact on music will definately be greater and hopefully they will still be around to continue making that impact.
   Yes when doing what Tristania is doing you will have a few off/less than average tracks but you will also have a lot of awsome ones to make up for it.

Sooner or later this trend of making pretty and perfect sounding music will die out and when that happens Sirenia will go away with it along with many other bands that I wont bother mentioning because we all know who they are.


Sirenia is nothing more that a little side project to keep Morten happy and distracted from what he has lost.
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« Reply #23 on: 29 June 2005, 10:40:49 »

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Sirenia is nothing more that a little side project to keep Morten happy and distracted from what he has lost.
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in some way you're right...except I don't think that the last 2 Tristania albums had really weak tracks... but some of them are just too great that we aren't able to honor some others in a way they deserve...:)
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« Reply #24 on: 10 July 2005, 22:22:06 »

Of course I voted for (ASHES).
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« Reply #25 on: 04 August 2005, 19:56:21 »

I have them both... and I prefer ASHES a lot...
I do LOVE Morten and his work...

But my heart is TRISTANIAN... and Ashes... I FEEL IT!

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« Reply #26 on: 06 August 2005, 16:21:47 »

Thats a very tough choice for me.  I thought Ashes was a definite step up from World of Glass and AEFE was a step down from Sirenia's debut album(which I might be inclined to choose over any Tristania offering).  I think they are both really close so it wouldnt be fair to vote one over the other.

I'm not sure if some of these Morten comments are directed towards anything I've said in the past on here but I never said Einar Moen wasn't a huge part of the band in fact I'd go as far as to say Widows Weeds would be bland without Moen or Stene.  I've contested before Anders was almost expendable because of his minimal contributions to the band(when Veland was around).  If anything Ashes has shown that Anders is more than capable of leading Tristania given the opportunity.
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« Reply #27 on: 12 September 2005, 19:39:49 »

Well, I dunno how AEFE sounds like, but I think it doesn't differ that much from ASAS (just downloaded it). And what can I say? Morten has his formula to make music, and uses it, because he can. Not to mention it is successful. Tristania is indeed more unpredictable, so it depends on one's own musical preferences by judging their works. For my taste... I also like Thrash and Black Metal, most of you here may not, and like some may think now I don't have any complains about ASHES' raw style. For me it's at least interesting to see that one band can actually change their style to a mor UNcommercial style. :D

My vote goes to Ashes.
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« Reply #28 on: 26 November 2005, 00:58:46 »

Now we have 2 cds insted of one so better for us! Where is the option to choose both LPs?
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« Reply #29 on: 22 April 2006, 18:59:38 »

Elixir.
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« Reply #30 on: 22 April 2006, 19:33:24 »

how could someone even ask this question . ashes is better than anything sirenia will ever release . i like sirenias music yeah but you can never put them up against tristania cause tristania will always win they are a 100% better band
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« Reply #31 on: 22 April 2006, 20:03:48 »

Saying they are 100% better actually means they're the same. :P
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« Reply #32 on: 22 April 2006, 22:46:47 »

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Saying they are 100% better actually means they're the same. :P
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ok let me rephrase it then they are 100 times better than sirenia
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« Reply #33 on: 23 April 2006, 16:29:42 »

ashes!!!

i mean, aefe is justthe sae in every song. ashes is changing in every song.
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« Reply #34 on: 24 April 2006, 18:51:31 »

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ashes!!!

i mean, aefe is justthe sae in every song. ashes is changing in every song.
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I think the same way as daisy.

daisy, I'll send you 20$, I think your keyboard is broken again :P
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« Reply #35 on: 24 April 2006, 18:52:23 »

Beside, you're asking this question a Tristania board, do you expect Sirenia to win? ;)
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« Reply #36 on: 05 May 2006, 14:47:44 »

ashes
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« Reply #37 on: 20 May 2006, 11:55:03 »

Ashes of course.

It's dark, atmospheric, haunting and very emotional. Every song is masterfully composed and arranged, if you REALLY listen to them. I know a lot of people dislike the change of style or shall I say the lack of choir and symphonic elements. But I personally prefer a more emotional record than just some bombastic music with lots of repeatitive choirs. Sure I love the sorprano vocals of Vibeke, but her toned down vocals also suit the style of Ashes perfectly. Very dark and atmospheric. (did I use that word again?) She doesn't need to stretch her voice so high to prove her abilities. (I'm sure she's tired of singing sorprano All the time, experiment with new vocal style is a good thing) This just shows how talented Vibeke is, she is such a versatile vocalist. This album definitely touched me deeply. It brings Tristania even closer to my heart.

I like Sirenia too. Morten's composition is very chatchy, very accessible. I enjoy both ASAS and AEFE  very much but the problem is, there is not one song I can recall even after 8-9 listens, there is no memorable moment. All I can remember is pretty bombastic music with lots of great choir. They all seem too similar. Also, I dislike the clean vocals on both albums. Don't get me wrong, they are not bad, as a matter of fact you can even call them pretty. It's just that they don't move me at all, there is no emotional  performance which I crave most. the lyrics are not very good either.

Since many people prefer Sirenia's albums because they sound like the older Tristania albums, esp. Beyond the Veil, I'll do a comparision here. On "Beyond the Veil", the music is bombastic at times but it has many slow touching moments, many memorable moments, not to mention the lyrics are just beautiful. Every song is unqiue, majestic and magical, I can't even begin to describe the beauty as it still blows me away from the first second to the last even after hundreds of listens. Vibeke and Osten's vocals are so good, so haunting that I just want to weep. However none of the Sirenia albums has these elements. Without a doubt, Sirenia makes enjoyable, easy listening gothic music. Magical? Nah. Not even close ;)

Tristania continue to deliver atmospheric, emotional music. This is what Magic is all about, as least it is for me. Sorry Morten fans ;)
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« Reply #38 on: 20 May 2006, 15:10:30 »

Im the only person who voted for AEFE and said it here,im not the only one who voted for the record of sirenia,but the only one who posted it.

Well,I love WW and BTV,but only that because,im not fan of tristania or of sirenia

IM FAN OF MORTEN VELAND

Because he's a very talented musicion,thanks to him we can hear the old good albums of tristania and sirenia
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« Reply #39 on: 20 May 2006, 18:41:27 »

Ashes and AEFE are the worst albums of both Tristania and Sirenia, without Pete Johansen they are only second class metal bands.

Ashes is a good album, but still have to upgrade many things. I still haven't heard enough of AEFE to made a review of it.
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