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Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Black Swans on 09 June 2005, 23:40:51: Well, before Ashes was released may used to compare both sirenia albums (AEFE and ASAS) to WoG and say they r much better (which i don't really concur with)

But now that tristanias latest baby has been set loose (Ashes) and even though its totaly different than sirenia's style, i was wondering which do u prefer?

Personally i prefer Ashes WAY WAY more than AEFE, Ashes is more like the old tristania than AEFE will ever be, Kj, Vibeke and Osten along with the drums and anders awesome riffs create an enviroment, and although i loved AEFE, but when i listen to it and compare it to Ashes, Ashes just dominates it, IMHO (guitars, vocals and drums are much better on Ashes)
The only thing that i prefer in AEFE over Ashes is the Violin, i sure missed it
And i wish the next sirenia and tristania albums would be more like BTV
well anyways thats jsut my opinon, hwo bout urs?
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Zeraphine on 10 June 2005, 06:06:54: well i can't say i explored An Elixir for Existence as much as i ecplored Ashes but i'm certainly able to compare. i must agree with you, Black Wings; Ashes kicks the ass of An Elixir for Existence by far... i enjoy a lot more Ashes because it's better worked and better produced. the songs are also a lot more varied and i really love the organic feeling! Ashes was certainly a surprise after WoG. AEFE was somewhat predictable... i really like the direction Tristania are taking so i would prefer them to follow it and not do something similar to Beyond the Veil. BtV was special, beautiful, monumental but i wouldn't like to hear another one... i don't appreciate a band that keeps repeting the same album a duzine of times, and this is why i love Tristania so much! all their albums are different, unique... Sirenia is a good band as well but it can't reach the place Tristania has managed to win in my heart ...
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Deadlocked on 10 June 2005, 06:17:15: AEFE sounds quite unispired to me... have no special vocalists, the violin is no more enchanting... etc.

ASAS was much better imho... but I even prefered World of Glass.. :)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: fallen_am_i on 10 June 2005, 07:34:29: Guys,why we have to compare albums from 2 different bands.Ok i prefer Ashes but as i see it,from Tristania was created another great band,Sirenia.And that's good for the genre generally... :)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Deadlocked on 10 June 2005, 12:38:00: Humans always compare things... :)
yeah... it was the best solution for both sides...:)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Peccatorum on 10 June 2005, 13:44:30: I agree.
I like Sirenia very much and LOVE Tristania!!!

I sinceraly prefer Ashes, but I didn't vote cause I like An Elixir for Existence a lot too
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Black Swans on 10 June 2005, 15:33:02: The reason, i made this post because in past posts in these forums a couple comapred AEFE and ASAS to WoG and kept saying its better, while i kept saying wait for Tristanias next album and then we would comapre Tristania to Sirenia
And i beleive Tristania have proven supreme
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: fallen_am_i on 10 June 2005, 17:26:40: Ok.I'm glad that others have the same point of view :)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Emperor_Konny on 11 June 2005, 01:36:41: Hm, what would Morten think about that topic? :)))
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Black Swans on 11 June 2005, 07:29:09: mm,, morten is over rated in my opinion, alot of ppl r always saying tristania is over, this is a new tristania the real tristania is within sirenia as if tristania is just morten veland, he is a good composer i give u that, but enuff is enuff
Ashes is way more better than any sirenia release, its has chemistry it has magic and thus proving tristania isnt just morten
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: The Devil on 11 June 2005, 08:58:36: I don't like to compare but I prefer ashes.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Zeraphine on 11 June 2005, 09:15:16: Quote
mm,, morten is over rated in my opinion, alot of ppl r always saying tristania is over, this is a new tristania the real tristania is within sirenia as if tristania is just morten veland, he is a good composer i give u that, but enuff is enuff
Ashes is way more better than any sirenia release, its has chemistry it has magic and thus proving tristania isnt just morten
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Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Deadlocked on 11 June 2005, 10:09:48: Quote
totally agree!
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too... I don't think he'll release a magical, extraordinary album any more... and Sirenia lacks of extraordinary singers, musicians too imho...
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: profetul1984 on 11 June 2005, 11:40:46: defenetly Ashes sounds cooler that An elixir for existence, but I like the last one too!
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Peccatorum on 11 June 2005, 15:18:34: The fact that we are here, talking frequently about Tristania's thing, concerts, photos, releases... made us real fans!
We are not satisfy only going in concerts, buying cds and watching a new video!
We want to know Tristania closer!
So, if guys like us said that Tristania is alive without Morten, making song large better than Sirenia... in my opinion, this is what all is about!
People who said Tristania is dead after Morten, is the same guys who don't know nothing about the band, neither how much album it has!

I like Sirenia and Morten... but saying Tristania is only Morten Veland is a depressing thought, sorry.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: The Fluffycat on 11 June 2005, 15:47:57: I like Sirenia very much. I like AEOE very much.
But I prefer Tristania, that is my love ever, :D and "Ashes", even that I hate to compare such different things.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Black Swans on 11 June 2005, 21:58:43: Nicely said Peccatorum :)
Morten is an awesome composer, but personally i think that he is tallented only in things like BTV and WWeeds, while tristania is about many ideas forming a single and unique release which is totaly different than the before, while morten is the opposite, thats is why they split in the end =\
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Darth-Angina on 12 June 2005, 09:26:34: There I agree on. I fell in love with BTV and WW and neither post-Tristania Morten or post-Morten Tristania has convinced me that any of them is better than the other. IMO Tristania in its original form (with Morten) was the best thing that ever happened to gothic music IMO, but things happened as they did... I was really happy when I found out that Veland is working on a new band and I am also a big fan or Sirenia, but there is just something missing in there... And the same goes with Tristania, WoG was a really good album IMO, and so is Ashes, but there is still something I miss in Ashes.... So neither Morten itself or other Tristania members itself has convinced me as they did when they were together...

Going to the albums, I chose Ashes. Both albums have impressed me in a very similar way, there are only a few songs on each album that I absolutely love and the others are just average. But those *amazing songs* which struck me the most are much powerful on Ashes, I spent far more time in getting into Ashes and overall, the only thing that I really miss on Ashes is maybe more profound lyrics and choirs, whilst AEFE on some spots gives an impression of emptiness and is sometimes even repetitive.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Black Swans on 12 June 2005, 09:58:12: I totally agree with you Darth-Angina i would love more profound lyrics and choirs and violin,
But then again, i think of mortens departure positively, or else would have copies of BTV or maybe less quality and no real inguinty like ashes (sorry for my terrible spelling)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Peccatorum on 12 June 2005, 16:09:35: I agree with you, Black Swans. Morten's talent is based in thing like Beyond the Veil... when Tristania wanted to do something diffenrent, the best choice was slit out!
Two terrific band were born!
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Zeraphine on 12 June 2005, 18:48:20: Quote
The fact that we are here, talking frequently about Tristania's thing, concerts, photos, releases... made us real fans!
We are not satisfy only going in concerts, buying cds and watching a new video!
We want to know Tristania closer!
So, if guys like us said that Tristania is alive without Morten, making song large better than Sirenia... in my opinion, this is what all is about!
People who said Tristania is dead after Morten, is the same guys who don't know nothing about the band, neither how much album it has!

I like Sirenia and Morten... but saying Tristania is only Morten Veland is a depressing thought, sorry.
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totally agree!

people who state that Tristania is Morten are not even fans imo. these people never gave the band a chance... i'm sure lots of them listened to WoG or Ashes once and said: "this is certainly the end of Tristania..". why? why this rejection towards changes?

another category of so called fans are those who worship Morten. i've heard so many say Tristania is dead without Morten and Sirenia is loads better but still they are old Tristania fans... no they're not! they're only Morten Veland fans, period.

Tristania and Sirenia are just fine the way they are; this departure of Morten was the best thing that could happen! just imagine what would have come out of Morten's ideas combined with Einar's and Anders' which are obviously very different... Plus Sirenia never managed to reach the quality of BtV or WW simply because those albums were not composed only by Morten, but with the participation of the other members... this is another con for those who think Morten was the genius behind Tristania...

i guess this is all i had to say about this matter. Sirenia are good and Tristania (old AND new) are even better...
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Tjeerd on 14 June 2005, 14:56:00: My opinion on WW is infamous by now.

I fail to understand why BtV is often seen as Morten's work. Einar made a big part of it (maybe the majority) and Anders contributed to it as well.

On-topic:
I haven't heared AEoE, so I can't compare.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: TheShiningPath on 29 June 2005, 01:24:58: Ashes is a very unpredictable album. Even after a few listens still has an awkward uneasy feeling to it. You have to really listen to it to enjoy it. As far as I can tell Morten seems to make albums catchier, more listanable and better organized/composed. He seems to be a bit of a perfectionist if you know what I mean. His albums with Sirenia from what I have heard were very perfect and predictable. As beautiful as they are there is nothing about them that really is all that different them every other female-fronted OMG GAFIC RAWK BAND except it has more talented musicians.
Ever since Morten left Tristania has been pushing things like crazy and destroying that perfect little setup Morten had. Sure its not going to get them any more plays on metal radio or any more fans in large numbers but 10-15 years from now there impact on music will definately be greater and hopefully they will still be around to continue making that impact.
Yes when doing what Tristania is doing you will have a few off/less than average tracks but you will also have a lot of awsome ones to make up for it.

Sooner or later this trend of making pretty and perfect sounding music will die out and when that happens Sirenia will go away with it along with many other bands that I wont bother mentioning because we all know who they are.

Sirenia is nothing more that a little side project to keep Morten happy and distracted from what he has lost.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Deadlocked on 29 June 2005, 10:40:49: Quote
Sirenia is nothing more that a little side project to keep Morten happy and distracted from what he has lost.
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*gg*

in some way you're right...except I don't think that the last 2 Tristania albums had really weak tracks... but some of them are just too great that we aren't able to honor some others in a way they deserve...:)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: MaxPayne on 10 July 2005, 22:22:06: Of course I voted for (ASHES).
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: C. Voxifera on 04 August 2005, 19:56:21: I have them both... and I prefer ASHES a lot...
I do LOVE Morten and his work...

But my heart is TRISTANIAN... and Ashes... I FEEL IT!

Kixex Cristina
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: The Joys of Emptiness on 06 August 2005, 16:21:47: Thats a very tough choice for me. I thought Ashes was a definite step up from World of Glass and AEFE was a step down from Sirenia's debut album(which I might be inclined to choose over any Tristania offering). I think they are both really close so it wouldnt be fair to vote one over the other.

I'm not sure if some of these Morten comments are directed towards anything I've said in the past on here but I never said Einar Moen wasn't a huge part of the band in fact I'd go as far as to say Widows Weeds would be bland without Moen or Stene. I've contested before Anders was almost expendable because of his minimal contributions to the band(when Veland was around). If anything Ashes has shown that Anders is more than capable of leading Tristania given the opportunity.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Minstrel on 12 September 2005, 19:39:49: Well, I dunno how AEFE sounds like, but I think it doesn't differ that much from ASAS (just downloaded it). And what can I say? Morten has his formula to make music, and uses it, because he can. Not to mention it is successful. Tristania is indeed more unpredictable, so it depends on one's own musical preferences by judging their works. For my taste... I also like Thrash and Black Metal, most of you here may not, and like some may think now I don't have any complains about ASHES' raw style. For me it's at least interesting to see that one band can actually change their style to a mor UNcommercial style. :D

My vote goes to Ashes.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Belruol on 26 November 2005, 00:58:46: Now we have 2 cds insted of one so better for us! Where is the option to choose both LPs?
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Diaﻅolika on 22 April 2006, 18:59:38: Elixir.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: desecrator on 22 April 2006, 19:33:24: how could someone even ask this question . ashes is better than anything sirenia will ever release . i like sirenias music yeah but you can never put them up against tristania cause tristania will always win they are a 100% better band
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Diaﻅolika on 22 April 2006, 20:03:48: Saying they are 100% better actually means they're the same. :P
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: desecrator on 22 April 2006, 22:46:47: Quote
Saying they are 100% better actually means they're the same. :P
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ok let me rephrase it then they are 100 times better than sirenia
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: daisy on 23 April 2006, 16:29:42: ashes!!!

i mean, aefe is justthe sae in every song. ashes is changing in every song.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: lordhong on 24 April 2006, 18:51:31: Quote
ashes!!!

i mean, aefe is justthe sae in every song. ashes is changing in every song.
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I think the same way as daisy.

daisy, I'll send you 20$, I think your keyboard is broken again :P
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: lordhong on 24 April 2006, 18:52:23: Beside, you're asking this question a Tristania board, do you expect Sirenia to win? ;)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Lolo on 05 May 2006, 14:47:44: ashes
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: ychi4100 on 20 May 2006, 11:55:03: Ashes of course.

It's dark, atmospheric, haunting and very emotional. Every song is masterfully composed and arranged, if you REALLY listen to them. I know a lot of people dislike the change of style or shall I say the lack of choir and symphonic elements. But I personally prefer a more emotional record than just some bombastic music with lots of repeatitive choirs. Sure I love the sorprano vocals of Vibeke, but her toned down vocals also suit the style of Ashes perfectly. Very dark and atmospheric. (did I use that word again?) She doesn't need to stretch her voice so high to prove her abilities. (I'm sure she's tired of singing sorprano All the time, experiment with new vocal style is a good thing) This just shows how talented Vibeke is, she is such a versatile vocalist. This album definitely touched me deeply. It brings Tristania even closer to my heart.

I like Sirenia too. Morten's composition is very chatchy, very accessible. I enjoy both ASAS and AEFE very much but the problem is, there is not one song I can recall even after 8-9 listens, there is no memorable moment. All I can remember is pretty bombastic music with lots of great choir. They all seem too similar. Also, I dislike the clean vocals on both albums. Don't get me wrong, they are not bad, as a matter of fact you can even call them pretty. It's just that they don't move me at all, there is no emotional performance which I crave most. the lyrics are not very good either.

Since many people prefer Sirenia's albums because they sound like the older Tristania albums, esp. Beyond the Veil, I'll do a comparision here. On "Beyond the Veil", the music is bombastic at times but it has many slow touching moments, many memorable moments, not to mention the lyrics are just beautiful. Every song is unqiue, majestic and magical, I can't even begin to describe the beauty as it still blows me away from the first second to the last even after hundreds of listens. Vibeke and Osten's vocals are so good, so haunting that I just want to weep. However none of the Sirenia albums has these elements. Without a doubt, Sirenia makes enjoyable, easy listening gothic music. Magical? Nah. Not even close ;)

Tristania continue to deliver atmospheric, emotional music. This is what Magic is all about, as least it is for me. Sorry Morten fans ;)
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: CHINGATE UN POZOLITO on 20 May 2006, 15:10:30: Im the only person who voted for AEFE and said it here,im not the only one who voted for the record of sirenia,but the only one who posted it.

Well,I love WW and BTV,but only that because,im not fan of tristania or of sirenia

IM FAN OF MORTEN VELAND

Because he's a very talented musicion,thanks to him we can hear the old good albums of tristania and sirenia
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Bagman on 20 May 2006, 18:41:27: Ashes and AEFE are the worst albums of both Tristania and Sirenia, without Pete Johansen they are only second class metal bands.

Ashes is a good album, but still have to upgrade many things. I still haven't heard enough of AEFE to made a review of it.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: xXLenoreGooD. on 15 October 2006, 22:12:04: Of course Ashes
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: ann die death on 15 October 2006, 22:41:11: Ashes... Duh... ;)

i dont like Sirenia
at all..... :/
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Inola Mireille Maddigan on 16 October 2006, 11:45:03: strange question))))
I love Sirenia too, but Tristania is better)
as for Sirenia, I prefer their another album At Sixes and Sevens
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Jonas Santos on 30 October 2006, 16:41:47: Is really hard to say about it.
I like Ashes and AEFE.
Tristania and Sirenia are great bands!
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Feandir on 07 November 2006, 16:13:35: There is no use, i cannot listen to sirenia, i can't get something of them TT_TT
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Boneman_the_Immortal on 15 December 2006, 12:55:08: Really stupid battle, and very fast for me... Ashes is about 14573,5 times better then AEFE. AEFE is too repetitive... 4th Widow's-Weeds-like-sound album in a row, and I found it very boring. Sorry Morten.
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Tim on 16 December 2006, 08:10:09: Of course Ashes
AEFE Me has disappointed...
Title: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: unprettyprincess on 20 December 2006, 06:19:30: AEFE beats the crap out of Ashes. o_o They shouldn't even be compared.
Title: Re: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: TommyA on 07 March 2007, 22:28:23: It's a bit hard for people to vote for a Sirenia album over a Tristania album when you're posting this on a Tristania fan forum. I don't think they can even be compared because they're two different albums. Both of them are the weakest albums of each of the bands (not bad, just the weakest). They were both released after spectacular albums (WoG and ASAS), so it's hard not to find them disappointing. However, if I have to choose, I think Ashes is slightly better because songs are somehow more accessible than AEFE.
Title: Re: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Kharhaz on 17 February 2008, 13:07:23: It's a matter of taste, I guess.

AEFE is "nice", but Ashes is awesome, so, obviously I chose Ashes. I find it superior in sound, lyrics and vocals.
Title: Re: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: PaleEnchantress on 24 June 2008, 12:12:05: An elixir for existence!!
Title: Re: Ashes Vs AEFE
Post by: Sanguine_Divine on 11 February 2010, 20:01:32: Wow, old topic haha.Anyways, these albums are too different to compare... I love them both for different reasons.