2 years I think. . . The way I discovered it is a bit weird. . .but it's through the internet. I pretty much was looking a list of someone's favourite bands on her personal website, and looked up the ones that had pretty names XD. As soon as I heard samples of songs off Amazon, I fell in love. I wanted to buy WoG but my local CD store only keeps the latest albums of the less mainstream bands and since Ashes had just come out I bought that. Then I got Beyond the Veil that summer for my birthday.