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Re: Draconian
« Reply #180 on: 03 July 2011, 01:25:10 »

I find it a less powerful TSW. After The Drowning Age (excellent song btw) there's nothing special that captivates me in any way. This is why I don't like doom metal at all - I like my fast parts. Ehh oh well. It is what it is. I guess album of the year will go to Stream of Passion or Autumn later on.

Well off to listen to WoG now. Yay fast music! :D
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #181 on: 03 July 2011, 05:52:49 »

There was actually ONE really good moment on the last 75 seconds of the song "A Phantom Dissonance". The rest of the album bored me.
I don't like doom metal at all
I don't like you ;D
(Joking, but I'm a freaking doomster.)
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #182 on: 03 July 2011, 06:53:33 »

Well, I tolerate it. I can handle it, just not all the time. It has to be a certain atmosphere for it (cloudy, dark, sad, etc).

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Re: Draconian
« Reply #183 on: 04 July 2011, 02:45:35 »

I think the reason i like it so much is because i adored Turning Seasons Within better than the others (don't get me wrong, the others are amazing as well...Arcane Rain fell FTW!!! <3 )

It took me a while to get into doom metal and im quite new to it so i guess its harder for me to immediately appreciate the grittier slower stuff with the crushing brutality that older Draconian albums had. But it is really growing on me.

But anyway, my personal opinion...even if i said it again....I think A Rose For The Apocalypse is great and it's definitely something I would always listen too  ;D
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #184 on: 05 July 2011, 00:55:21 »

I gave it another listen today, and it grew on me some - The Death of Hours in particular. Maybe I'll like it eventually  :)
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #185 on: 05 July 2011, 02:31:27 »

to reumeren and funeralord: you guys should know pretty well that any record connected to doom needs many, many listenings to be fully understood.
this new draconian opus has many lights and many shadows as well, just like Turning Season Within. just note that i've listened to it i think more than 50 times and still can't get it completely.
now i'm not saying this is stuff as technical as dream theater or whatever. just to speak about draconian, it happened the same with all their albums, at least for me.

i think it's also a matter of what does one expect from it. for example, i don't find much sense in postludium comments: he/she says he/she doesn't like doom metal so ehr, it's pretty obvious he/she won't like draconian. yet it seems he/she likes them and likes a very doomy song like The Death of Hours.
moreover, i really disagree about the atmosphere thing: if i like something, i like it under the sun in the hawaii or in the deepest norwegian forest.
but please don't take it as an offense. i just don't find sense in what you say, postludium but you're entitled to do whatever you want of course! oh well, hope you understood. ;D

i hope i'll be able to write my review tomorrow, then i'll link it here! [i'm saying that not because i think my review will have any importance of any kind but just because i should have done it days ago!]
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #186 on: 05 July 2011, 04:16:49 »

i think it's also a matter of what does one expect from it. for example, i don't find much sense in postludium comments: he/she says he/she doesn't like doom metal so ehr, it's pretty obvious he/she won't like draconian. yet it seems he/she likes them and likes a very doomy song like The Death of Hours.
moreover, i really disagree about the atmosphere thing: if i like something, i like it under the sun in the hawaii or in the deepest norwegian forest.
but please don't take it as an offense. i just don't find sense in what you say, postludium but you're entitled to do whatever you want of course! oh well, hope you understood. ;D
I wasn't being very clear when I posted that I didn't like doom metal. What I really meant was I don't like the traditional all growl, slow, gritty doom. I like Draconian - they're one of my favorite bands. They're not like most other doom bands like I described. That's why I like them and find them interesting. Plus, I really hate using labels to describe bands - if I like it, I like it. There's too much gray area with these labels.

And regarding the atmosphere: the environment I'm in sets a mood for me. Like right now, it's nighttime and rainy - perfect for Draconian! But while it's bright and sunny and I just got my paycheck Draconian seems awkward and I'll want to listen to something else, unless I just really want to listen to Draconian. Yes, it's weird but it is what it is. 

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Re: Draconian
« Reply #187 on: 05 July 2011, 04:48:16 »

hahah don't worry, it's the same for me sometimes, after all.

where are you from? just curious. here in italy it's 6.50 am ;)

well, let's not forget that traditional doom doesn't have ANYTHING to do with death-doom or doom-gothic or stuff with growls, sopranos, violins and so on. black sabbath are traditional doom, or saint vitus, or pentagram (just to name three i love) or cathedral and candlemass (just to name two i never liked).
then doom metal evolved into what we know through the years;

try to check out Amederia, a great doom gothic metal band from russia: http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Amederia/3540265491  &  http://www.myspace.com/amederia guess you should like 'em

or if you don't wanna hear any growl at all you can't avoid listening to The 3rd and the Mortal (hope there's no need to introduce them to you  ;)).

as a last try i can't hel but thinking of Omit http://www.omitmusic.com/ a band where all the musicians play in other great bands such as Skumring, Vagrant God, Havnatt and so on. be careful, veeery slow stuff here (were talking about songs around 17 and 25 mins!) but very melodic and with the vocals of the latest star in gloomy metal cecilie langlie who would make vibeke pale in comparison ;) plus, she's a real norwegian goddess hehe

if you will ever listen to these bands i'll be pleased to know what you think of them! ;D
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #188 on: 05 July 2011, 05:12:54 »

I'm in the US (it's 1:10 am as I write this)

I liked Amaderia, I listened to "Dreams". I especially liked the latter part of the song when it picks up a bit. I'll listen to some more tomorrow for sure.

I like the 3rd and the Mortal - I used to have one of their CDs (idk where it is now :( )

I'll listen to Omit tomorrow as well. Thanks for the recommendations!
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #189 on: 05 July 2011, 05:49:35 »

to reumeren and funeralord: you guys should know pretty well that any record connected to doom needs many, many listenings to be fully understood.
Well, that's kind of the problem here: this album isn't doom at all, it's just standard gothic metal, and I simply don't enjoy that anymore. No surprise that the only gothic metal bands I follow nowadays are Tristania and Ram-Zet. I don't want or need to re-listen to this album while I have LOTS of other better and much more innovative stuff to discover, or even re-discover, like the Darkspace rush I've had the last few days (I just realized they are easily one of my top 5 favorite black metal bands ever). So, that's it.
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #190 on: 05 July 2011, 07:08:56 »

I do think that this album is more gothic-metaly than the others....but i don't think it's standard gothic metal. I still think there's the doom in there. It's a different style, but it's still there.

Speaking of different types of doom, I really like the romantic doom style....such as How Like A Winter. I loved that band before, but listening to them again...I'm starting to love them more and more. :D

Anyways, back to Draconian. All Draconian albums are pretty different, yet the same... and all of them took a while to grow on me.
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #191 on: 05 July 2011, 07:54:34 »

to reumeren and funeralord: you guys should know pretty well that any record connected to doom needs many, many listenings to be fully understood.
this new draconian opus has many lights and many shadows as well, just like Turning Season Within. just note that i've listened to it i think more than 50 times and still can't get it completely.
now i'm not saying this is stuff as technical as dream theater or whatever. just to speak about draconian, it happened the same with all their albums, at least for me

I know, most (good) music usually takes a few listens to understand :) After listening to Serenades by Anathema, it sounded like a complete mess to me, but it somehow invited me in to dig deeper into it. Maybe I'll change my mind about this album (the new Draconian album) in time, but for now it just sounds the same to me. The lead guitar is strong as always (thank you, Johan!) and Anders' vocals are a delight, but overall this is a boring gothic metal album.

well, let's not forget that traditional doom doesn't have ANYTHING to do with death-doom or doom-gothic or stuff with growls, sopranos, violins and so on. black sabbath are traditional doom, or saint vitus, or pentagram (just to name three i love) or cathedral and candlemass (just to name two i never liked).
then doom metal evolved into what we know through the years.

Interesting point. When I say DOOM metal, I usually refer to ''post-Peaceville Three'' bands; growls, some use of double-bass, piano melodies, drama etc. I also consider FUNERAL DOOM as a sub-category from this. I'll check out Omit, never heard of them before :)
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #192 on: 05 July 2011, 14:03:36 »

Yet traditional, epic, sludge, stoner and drone doom are previous to or contemporaries of death doom, so when I say doom, I mean all of it.
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #193 on: 05 July 2011, 15:02:43 »

this turned out to be a nice discussion, guys! we should maybe open a proper thread...?

Funeralord: funny thing is that like it always happens when something is born, black sabbath didn't even think they were playing something that later would have been called metal! ;D
by the way, i'm not so fond of stoner and epic doom that much, although it's also true that i never applied myself to serious listenings.

anyway: i don't see all this gothic metal you're talking about. ok, doom is slow but not always and not necessarily. you can't say that a certain song isn't doom metal just because it's a midtempo. i find this record much more doom than the previous one, although it has certain dynamic parts that sound odd. but i surely wouldn't define it - because it's definition what we're taalking about - straight gothic metal for the mere reason that it isn't so! :P and johan agrees with me: http://draconian.9.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=559&view=findpost&p=11285   ;D

postludium: you're welcome! ;D and to reumeren, too: i really hope omit will succeed with their debut this year, they're really ultra talented in my opinion. and ir ecommend you also Skumring, with more or less the same bandmembers, which is funeral doom in the veins of the 3rd and the mortal. believe me, you'll be charmed by "De glemte tider"... also their other projects are really good and i'm particularly waiting for the debuts by Vagrant God and Dooms Vain. and no, they didn't pay me to do this! ;D

here's an interview with cecilie langlie where she speaks a bit about all the projects: http://www.femmemetal.net/OmitCecilieLanglieInt.htm

back to draconian i should also make an interview for anders. any suggestion or something you'd like to know? i think it would be unfair to ask this on the draconian forum but here, why not! ;)
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #194 on: 15 November 2011, 21:17:22 »

Lisa leaves Draconian

from their website:

"Late October Lisa announced to her fellow bandmembers sheíd decided to leave Draconian starting as soon as possible. It had been on the table for some time.

Itís with sadness we state this message. Lisa has, since her appearance on the Draconian demo ďDark Oceans We CryĒ, continued to astonish and melt thousands of peopleís hearts over the years with her emotional vocal. The addition of Lisa is what helped us to get our long awaited record contract. We are very aware what she has meant to our band and the legacy sheís left us with.
We are further sorry about all fans that never got the chance to see this line-up of Draconian; a line-up that made Draconian what it is today. This bad news will however NOT mean the end for us. The band is determined to enter a new era of productivity and artistic expression.

Lisaís appearance with Draconian at the 9th edition of Metal Female Voices in Belgium became her last show with the band. Itís a worthy end of an almost 10 year calling and a beginning of something new for Draconian.

Our profoundest appreciation and gratitude to our friend Lisa Johansson for these years working together. We wish her and her family the best possible for the future.

Underneath, read Lisaís good bye letter

/Draconian


ďItís hard for me to write this; something I have thought about for a long time. I have argued with myself back and forth but have finally come to the conclusion to leave Draconian.

So why? One of the reasons are that since I had my son I feel I donít want to, for emotional reasons, go away on longer trips to perform. I count the hours until Iím back again. Another reason is that I have a demanding job six days a week, and this leads to, along with having a child to care for, that I have difficulties finding passion and energy to engage myself in Draconian to the extent I should.

Itís actually with a heavy heart I sit and write this. I donít want to give up either my fans or the guys in Draconian, but I feel I have to prioritize my family.
I donít need a sobbing and weepy farewell with the members of Draconian. I will keep meeting them, but itís the thought of you who are listening to all our songs and all you whom Iíve met on our shows which is the hardest to let go of. To all of you I want to say Thank You! I will carry all the memories with me and all of you in my heart always. And a part of me will always be ĎLisa in Draconianí. ď

/Lisa Johansson
14.11.2011 "
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #195 on: 15 November 2011, 23:01:41 »

Ow :-\
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« Reply #196 on: 16 November 2011, 20:50:10 »

This what happens when bands like that gets in their thirties. The have families, full-time jobs, and even though the band has a large cult following online, they don't really make an impact in mainstream media. + The music is kinda juvinile... I'm not saying that older people can't like it, but it is an emotional style that attracts generally younger people.

So leaving it all behind becomes easy :)

I wish her the best, and I will always remember her performance on ''A Scenery of Loss''*. Maybe they can change their style from the beauty-beast approach...hm!

* Seriously, listen to her when she goes ''Drifting endlessly...'', it's amazing!
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Re: Draconian
« Reply #197 on: 16 November 2011, 23:03:46 »

This sucks; when bands have their best lineup I don't listen to them but when they lose their great singers I start to love their old stuff. It happened to me with Tristania, Nightwish, Trail of Tears and now with Draconian :(
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