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« Reply #20 on: 19 November 2006, 17:19:15 »

Am I the only black person who doesn't think that BM isn't all that bad. :P

Yeah sure the majority of them are kinda looney and its the most famous music among white nationalists <_< ......but the fact is that you shouldn't blast a genre in general, there'll always be some bands that deviate from the norm.
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« Reply #21 on: 19 November 2006, 18:53:30 »

of course :)
I love Nocte Obducta or Dornenreich for example, but there's indeed very much wrong with Black Metal..
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« Reply #22 on: 19 November 2006, 18:57:28 »

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Am I the only black person who doesn't think that BM isn't all that bad. :P

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No.  :D
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« Reply #23 on: 19 November 2006, 19:16:15 »

As Carlo (Tristania's tourmanager) said:


True black metal and damn good in it as well. (Living Colour, an all-black hard rock band).

Brak: "Satan" in modern satanism is used as a term to describe a hedonistic philosophy/lifestyle as preached by LaVey's Satanic Bible. it isn't the same satan as told in the big bad story-collection named the bible.

Besides: Most black metal is 50+% image, just like ye regular popband. Anyone taking it serious should check their heads. (Gothic too by the way, and a lot of people take that serious, more than fans of BM.)

Some idiots like Christian 'Varg/Burzum' Vikernes (oh the irony in that name) aside,  no one takes black metal that serious.
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« Reply #24 on: 19 November 2006, 21:26:48 »

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In Finland, Black metal is looked down upon in most circles. Of course the church doesn't like it but the big hit came from the people of the left wing who claim it as "Racist Metal" especially when Finland is adjusting to its high rate of globalization. To be shunned by liberalist and christian conservatives is a big hit. However some bands like CoF and Dimmu Borgir have watered down their black metal and though the quality of their music has degenerated, at least they have bread to put on their tables.

Like it or not the name "Black Metal" is an anti-religious and a racist genre of metal. It's not an opinion its a fact because that is the exact definition of the genre. Look at all the founders of black metal: Hellhammer, Bathory. The third wave of the Norweigian black metal scene came with Emperor and Cradle of Filth though these bands weren't as extreme as their ideology as their predecessors.

But recently there has been a surge in Slavic Black Metal which is bringing back a racist ideology. The bands that would be coming up in the future of this genre are bringing with them a Socialist/white supremacist ideology that I'm really pissed about :angry: Some advocates of this new wave of black metal are claiming that nationalist and supremacist are two very different things but the line between racism and nationalism / patriotism is an extremely thin and perilous one: if one is strongly nationalistic, whereby one is proud of belonging to his origins and of belonging to a particular social group, then it is no great leap to start seeing other groups as inferior.

There my rant is over. I'm not a big fan of BM but I do enjoy some bands of the genre, the open minded ones. I can't stand most of them because listening to black metal is like listening to christian gospels. There preaching their beliefs in the same narrow minded way.

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@Brak, you  have some good points there.
I don't like black metal at all,how it became the popular metal genre is beyond me.
Not only is it repetetive but it's absolutley awful what they sing about, maggots and so forth :blink:
And now have an all new racist theme.
For me music doesn't just have to sound good, it has to have good lyrics too.
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« Reply #25 on: 20 November 2006, 00:20:53 »

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how it became the popular metal genre is beyond me.


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Because most of the people who are obsessed with it loves the ideology it brings OR they just like the way it sounds and either don't know what the lyrics is about or don't care.
Either way, it doesn't bother me. As Tjeerd said, most of the looneys who are part of BM bands are 50% image.(I like that quote :lol: )
And as I said before, I hate generalization....not all black metal are like that but where Brak's living (Northern Russia), I don't blame him.
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« Reply #26 on: 20 November 2006, 00:22:22 »

Eh? Now bands like DB is a whole different story LOL
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« Reply #27 on: 20 November 2006, 00:25:04 »

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where Brak's living (Northern Russia)
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Believe me, you have no idea how right you are. The people over here make Black Metal more of an abomination than it already is. :angry:
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« Reply #28 on: 20 November 2006, 00:44:34 »

Well I listen to black metal but not for its ideology. And yes, I mean it is one of the politically taboo things in the metal world that people don't like to talk about but the fact is that Black Metal's beginning were racist though I would agree with Tjeerd that most of it is just for show.
However that's not the case here in Iceland, where there are tonnes of neo-nazis who chant to music from Emperor and Venom....so go figure

@Bellatrix: I think the reason why black metal isn't as extreme as it once was is because Univeral Records (which has holdings in Spinefarm and some in Napalm) aren't tolerating the racist nonsense that comes out of BM bands. And we all know Nuclear Blast and Roadrunner Records would more likely eat corn out of their own shit rather than sign on a BM band that pushes its bias attitudes.
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« Reply #29 on: 20 November 2006, 02:15:33 »

I don't like black metal because I don't understand anything of what they are singing/barking
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« Reply #30 on: 20 November 2006, 05:08:51 »

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I don't like black metal because I don't understand anything of what they are singing/barking
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.....and that too! :lol:
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« Reply #31 on: 20 November 2006, 12:11:59 »

I haven`t seen that much generalisation in any of other threads and I`m really wondering if it is even worth bothering.

Well, I have a question for you then. Are for example power metal bands hypocrites too? I haven`t seen any of those walking around in dragon costumes or with swords either...

@Alhana Starbreeze: Just a question. Are Catamenia, Shade Empire etc. also racists? They are both from Finland...

heh, seems to me you people never heard of melodic black, atmospheric, avantgarde, symphonic; folk, death, even gothic combinations with black? The only genre that would even remotly fit into your description of "big bad" black metal is the "old school" variant  <_<

and besides, not anyone can be a black metal fan  ;) I`m pretty sure most of you, who don`t hear or understand (or are even affraid of LOL), what some of those bands sing, wouldn`t get it, even if the lyrics would be written right in front of you noses (ignorance is bliss)
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« Reply #32 on: 20 November 2006, 14:15:06 »

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I haven`t seen that much generalisation in any of other threads and I`m really wondering if it is even worth bothering.

Well, I have a question for you then. Are for example power metal bands hypocrites too? I haven`t seen any of those walking around in dragon costumes or with swords either...

@Alhana Starbreeze: Just a question. Are Catamenia, Shade Empire etc. also racists? They are both from Finland...

heh, seems to me you people never heard of melodic black, atmospheric, avantgarde, symphonic; folk, death, even gothic combinations with black? The only genre that would even remotly fit into your description of "big bad" black metal is the "old school" variant  <_<

and besides, not anyone can be a black metal fan  ;) I`m pretty sure most of you, who don`t hear or understand (or are even affraid of LOL), what some of those bands sing, wouldn`t get it, even if the lyrics would be written right in front of you noses (ignorance is bliss)
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Well if you want to interpret racist lyrics in your own way that's fine. If most people did that it would be much better. And someone said before, bands today can't have the extreme lyrics that they once had in the 'old school' black metal days like with Venom or Hellhammer or else they won't make any money to feed their children. As for understanding lyrics....believe me I'm around black metal every day of my music life and you can't find shallower lyrics in any other genre of metal. They are narrow minded when portraying their ideals, not to the mention the fact that its cliche. And while their are some that are different and can't be genralized, it just showed that the more popular BM bands are the boring ones.



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« Reply #33 on: 20 November 2006, 14:39:38 »

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... you can't find shallower lyrics in any other genre of metal. ..
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I don`t think power metal lyrics are any deeper :lol:
On the contrary, they are the most repetitive
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« Reply #34 on: 20 November 2006, 15:37:04 »

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I don`t think power metal lyrics are any deeper :lol:
On the contrary, they are the most repetitive
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I second that!

Plus, same goes for heavy...

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« Reply #35 on: 20 November 2006, 15:47:41 »

:lol: again I don't hate nor love BM but I enjoy it from time to time :D
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« Reply #36 on: 20 November 2006, 16:26:55 »

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1. They are hypocrites. Come on folks let's be realistic. The majority of black metal bands preach about darkness and blood and blah blah blah. But we all know that most of the guys are completely fine and at the centre of society. They live in pretty nice houses. They drink their beer, watch their football matches and go home. If they ever indeed have an encounter with the devil or a demon (if it does exist) they will be shitting and pissing their pants like a 5 month old baby.

emm...
that's known like argumentum ad hominem: if you don't have how to argue, you attack the people. But that can be applied to everyone here, even to the ones who say they are the chosen ones to lead thehuman race to a better future or things like that. If you put them in front of a real god, they'll stain their trousers...

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2. They are kinda stupid. I mean it literally. (Bathory and Ceremonial Embrace especially). One particular BM site. I saw an interview where the interviewer was talking to the guitarist and asked him if he was a spiritual man. And did you know what the guitarist said....."I'm an atheist but I think Satan should be embraced" :lol:

as someone once told me... there are stupids in every human group. (Well... he used other word, not exactly stupids...)

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3. It is a narrow-minded genre. Okay with bands like Tristania e.t.c. there is usually a mix-up between themes in the music even though some albums may exhibit repititon. But come on folks BM bands only sing about one theme throughout their entire career.

who told you tristania was black metal? they just have one or other element, but they are not black metal O.o
And if you think that about black metal... it's because you don't know very much about the genre .U

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4. Several bands have members who were held up for sexual harrasment charges and even rape (gorgoroth). Now tell me would you listen extensively to music that pedophiles and serial rapists like.....I didn't think so.

you're going to another sites with that argument... it has nothing to do what you listen to with who are you.

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5. This is the long term damage of listening to black metal.

Moral here: Don't listen to black metal, it's dangerous for your health.

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the problems to the mind happens just to children that have not matured yet... XD

i've seen many of them .

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« Reply #37 on: 20 November 2006, 17:24:17 »

nothing against kitsch metal - that doesn't harm anyone... :P

I assume Brak was refering mainly to the old school black metal bands....
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« Reply #38 on: 20 November 2006, 18:13:34 »

things like mayhem, burzum, bathory?? beside, bathory is not considered completly black, but the ones that began the sound, together with the viking metal...

and i think what he says is just because he hasn't listened too much of this genre, am i wrong?
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« Reply #39 on: 20 November 2006, 19:57:38 »

@Nordyls: PM and BM are in the same category...they both suck but to find something worth listening to for both of them......the lyrics are more open minded in power metal than in BM. Black Metal hark on the same satanic bullshit day in day out.

@Feandir: Who the hell said Tristania was even near something as vomit-worthy as black metal :huh: And btw: In terms of metal, BM is the ONLY metal that is played where I come from. You have you're everyday Nightwish and Maiden but other than that you have shit like Venom and Emperor being played.
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