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Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 18 November 2006, 05:49:55
1. They are hypocrites. Come on folks let's be realistic. The majority of black metal bands preach about darkness and blood and blah blah blah. But we all know that most of the guys are completely fine and at the centre of society. They live in pretty nice houses. They drink their beer, watch their football matches and go home. If they ever indeed have an encounter with the devil or a demon (if it does exist) they will be shitting and pissing their pants like a 5 month old baby.


2. They are kinda stupid. I mean it literally. (Bathory and Ceremonial Embrace especially). One particular BM site. I saw an interview where the interviewer was talking to the guitarist and asked him if he was a spiritual man. And did you know what the guitarist said....."I'm an atheist but I think Satan should be embraced" :lol:

3. It is a narrow-minded genre. Okay with bands like Tristania e.t.c. there is usually a mix-up between themes in the music even though some albums may exhibit repititon. But come on folks BM bands only sing about one theme throughout their entire career.


4. Several bands have members who were held up for sexual harrasment charges and even rape (gorgoroth). Now tell me would you listen extensively to music that pedophiles and serial rapists like.....I didn't think so.

5. This is the long term damage of listening to black metal.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/elperro/NecroDump.jpg)


Moral here: Don't listen to black metal, it's dangerous for your health.

A Warning from Brakandaran who have seen first hand what happens to black metal fans after an overdose.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: The Joys of Emptiness on 18 November 2006, 12:31:25
Hilary Duff would be pleased.   :D

As would Westlife!   :lol:  :lol:  Congratulations you made your brethren proud!  Take a bow  ;)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: ehren on 18 November 2006, 14:19:44
Well I am married with a child and I still listen to as much metal as I did when i was a kid, I think I listen to even heavier stuff now that I am older.

Oh and I am listening to the new Vesania album God The Lux right now. They sound like Dimmu Borgir
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Darth-Angina on 18 November 2006, 14:30:12
@Brak: you need to jump in David Hasselhoff's car!
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: darkharmony on 18 November 2006, 14:32:55
LOL Brak :lol:

You can't hate BM that much
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 18 November 2006, 14:37:33
Actually, I'm still waiting for Dimmu Borgir to come to my house and personally apologize to me for releasing Prodigies of the Great Apocolypse.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: The Joys of Emptiness on 18 November 2006, 15:00:37
I doubt you'll get Dimmu Borgir.  Would you be willing to settle for Varg Vikernes?   :D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: xXLenoreGooD. on 18 November 2006, 19:16:15
I really like BM, not as gothic butI like it, lol :D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Nordlys on 18 November 2006, 19:49:11
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1. They are hypocrites. Come on folks let's be realistic. The majority of black metal bands preach about darkness and blood and blah blah blah. But we all know that most of the guys are completely fine and at the centre of society. They live in pretty nice houses. They drink their beer, watch their football matches and go home. If they ever indeed have an encounter with the devil or a demon (if it does exist) they will be shitting and pissing their pants like a 5 month old baby.
2. They are kinda stupid. I mean it literally. (Bathory and Ceremonial Embrace especially). One particular BM site. I saw an interview where the interviewer was talking to the guitarist and asked him if he was a spiritual man. And did you know what the guitarist said....."I'm an atheist but I think Satan should be embraced" :lol:

3. It is a narrow-minded genre. Okay with bands like Tristania e.t.c. there is usually a mix-up between themes in the music even though some albums may exhibit repititon. But come on folks BM bands only sing about one theme throughout their entire career.
4. Several bands have members who were held up for sexual harrasment charges and even rape (gorgoroth). Now tell me would you listen extensively to music that pedophiles and serial rapists like.....I didn't think so.

5. This is the long term damage of listening to black metal.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/elperro/NecroDump.jpg)
Moral here: Don't listen to black metal, it's dangerous for your health.

A Warning from Brakandaran who have seen first hand what happens to black metal fans after an overdose.
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1. So they should be rolling in dirt, blood, spit, dust, mud, etc to be true to reality? I don`t get it, are they animals?
2. give your source, which site?
3. So die-hard fans should go and kill themselves? Plus, I induce you are not very familiar with that genre. There are bands which do not sing about Satan only (a simple example - Enslaved)
4. Yes, I would, if I do it for the sake of the music. Now, don`t tell me there aren`t any perverts in other genres?
5. This doesn`t even deserve a comment.

Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: daisy on 18 November 2006, 20:25:05
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Actually, I'm still waiting for Dimmu Borgir to come to my house and personally apologize to me for releasing Prodigies of the Great Apocolypse.
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but why? that album is entertainment :P (too ridicolous)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: unprettyprincess on 18 November 2006, 21:11:35
I don't really listen to the kind of black metal that sings about Satan. I love the music style, but the lyrics...I can't bring myself that low.

In other news this thread is pretty pointless :D
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Post by: desecrator on 18 November 2006, 23:20:26
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I don't really listen to the kind of black metal that sings about Satan. I love the music style, but the lyrics...I can't bring myself that low.

In other news this thread is pretty pointless :D
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yeah i agree  completely pointless this one is by far the stupidest thread i have ever read on here
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Omagastar on 19 November 2006, 02:13:16
Yes, this thread is quite superfluous.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 19 November 2006, 02:30:42
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yeah i agree  completely pointless this one is by far the stupidest thread i have ever read on here
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What the fuck?! So you'd rather me go debate with you on how people in this forum doesn't no what gothic metal is????!!!!! :angry:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: darkharmony on 19 November 2006, 02:32:48
Um....this thread isn't stupid, the evanescence thread is stupid. :P



btw brak: I know black metal sucks (at least most of it) but there's no reason to create a thread for it though I know you're boarding on being serious and comical :lol:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Volkmar on 19 November 2006, 03:20:53
So black metal is filled with people who have hatred in their hearts and have had reputation for racism and some members have been part of the white supremacist movement in northern england and skin head movement in Finland. So nothing is wrong with it right? Of course not! /sarcastic :rolleyes:

I hate defending Brak but I have to set the record straight, he's trying to say something other than the fact that "Black Metal sucks".
Nothing is wrong with liking black metal, but at least people here have to know about the genre and its history and why it is CALLED black metal for. And for those who want proof of this, you're supposed to KNOW this if you've been listening to it for that long.


P.S>>>I enjoy some black metal bands. It's not a  genre I admire because the ideology of it.

 Have you  guys heard of the National Socialist Black Metal Movement over there in Norway, I seriously doubt it.


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Black metal is generally held to embrace anti-christian sentiment, misanthropy, nihilism, as well as in some cases racism and nationalism. In actuality most black metal musicians view their craft as a natural result of their inherent misanthropy and anti-establishment Weltanschauung

www.blacksupremacy.com

Or check out Micheal Moynihan: The Bloody Rise of Satanic Metal Underground---All the bands mentioned in this book are black metal.


Oh yeah and the lead singer of gorgoroth Gaahl was imprisoned for beating a 41 year old man and threatening to drink his blood (2002). Listen I like the band but face it most of the members of black metal bands are either effeminate weirdos or freaks.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Bellatrix on 19 November 2006, 03:43:03
In Finland, Black metal is looked down upon in most circles. Of course the church doesn't like it but the big hit came from the people of the left wing who claim it as "Racist Metal" especially when Finland is adjusting to its high rate of globalization. To be shunned by liberalist and christian conservatives is a big hit. However some bands like CoF and Dimmu Borgir have watered down their black metal and though the quality of their music has degenerated, at least they have bread to put on their tables.

Like it or not the name "Black Metal" is an anti-religious and a racist genre of metal. It's not an opinion its a fact because that is the exact definition of the genre. Look at all the founders of black metal: Hellhammer, Bathory. The third wave of the Norweigian black metal scene came with Emperor and Cradle of Filth though these bands weren't as extreme as their ideology as their predecessors.

But recently there has been a surge in Slavic Black Metal which is bringing back a racist ideology. The bands that would be coming up in the future of this genre are bringing with them a Socialist/white supremacist ideology that I'm really pissed about :angry: Some advocates of this new wave of black metal are claiming that nationalist and supremacist are two very different things but the line between racism and nationalism / patriotism is an extremely thin and perilous one: if one is strongly nationalistic, whereby one is proud of belonging to his origins and of belonging to a particular social group, then it is no great leap to start seeing other groups as inferior.

There my rant is over. I'm not a big fan of BM but I do enjoy some bands of the genre, the open minded ones. I can't stand most of them because listening to black metal is like listening to christian gospels. There preaching their beliefs in the same narrow minded way.

If you want more information, check out Nuclear Blast Metal Archives.....
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: The Joys of Emptiness on 19 November 2006, 06:02:04
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What the fuck?! So you'd rather me go debate with you on how people in this forum doesn't no what gothic metal is????!!!!! :angry:
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The gothic metal thread has three advantages to this..

a) Desecrator doesn't have his head up his ass
B) The argument actually has merit and isn't just opinion and lots of ignorant non truths.
c)  Its based on music and not on extreme spiteful bias.  

I've argued this shit time and time again, its not worth it folks.  Once thick as a brick, always!   ;)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Eclipse on 19 November 2006, 13:08:03
Night haunts and evil lurks in every corner
Like plague it's spreading - I behold
Loneliness, yet with you autumn night as guest
But can you hear my cries?
Permeate me, oh night, as with the forest you did
for heart is cold, cold as ice

I drown in the colour of your eye
for a black heart will only find beauty in darkness
I breathe it's eternity to absorb the sky
where the shadows of death may lie

Feel the call - Nocturnal desire
Sorrow's breath - Enchanting cries
Night's blood - Taste damnation's wine
Feel the pain - Nocturnal desire
The devil's path of dark delight
Night's blood - Pure damnation's wine

Eyes are glowing, burn as hell's fire
Mark thy wisdom in my mind

Those who never was born
but whose darkness eternally
devastated the goodness built up through milleniums
No time passed, our victory is eternal
Our scorn, our silence...
A heart dies drowning in the night's blood
Everlasting malice for the wicked soul
Can't resist the night's sweet blood

Loneliness in the embrace of you autumn night
The night that froze my cries
Deep into the woods glows a fading light
I sold my soul, cold as ice

I drown in the colour of your eye
for a black heart will only find beauty in darkness
I breathe it's eternity to absorb the sky
where the shadows of death may lie

if you don`t like black metal, don`t listen to it, stick to power or whatever it is that you listen to  ;)

nsbm is just one of the sub-genres, considering the whole black metal scene as nationalistic is hypocritical and ... bla bla

the same goes with satanic lyrics and ideology
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Alhana Starbreeze on 19 November 2006, 17:13:49
Black metal is Racist but I don't care. It's not the message that I listen to the music for. It is the technical aspect of it....just my 2 cents.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: darkharmony on 19 November 2006, 17:19:15
Am I the only black person who doesn't think that BM isn't all that bad. :P

Yeah sure the majority of them are kinda looney and its the most famous music among white nationalists <_< ......but the fact is that you shouldn't blast a genre in general, there'll always be some bands that deviate from the norm.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Deadlocked on 19 November 2006, 18:53:30
of course :)
I love Nocte Obducta or Dornenreich for example, but there's indeed very much wrong with Black Metal..
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: blackwing on 19 November 2006, 18:57:28
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Am I the only black person who doesn't think that BM isn't all that bad. :P

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No.  :D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Tjeerd on 19 November 2006, 19:16:15
As Carlo (Tristania's tourmanager) said:

(http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/images/livingcolour.jpg)
True black metal and damn good in it as well. (Living Colour, an all-black hard rock band).

Brak: "Satan" in modern satanism is used as a term to describe a hedonistic philosophy/lifestyle as preached by LaVey's Satanic Bible. it isn't the same satan as told in the big bad story-collection named the bible.

Besides: Most black metal is 50+% image, just like ye regular popband. Anyone taking it serious should check their heads. (Gothic too by the way, and a lot of people take that serious, more than fans of BM.)

Some idiots like Christian 'Varg/Burzum' Vikernes (oh the irony in that name) aside,  no one takes black metal that serious.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Demigod_of_Twilight on 19 November 2006, 21:26:48
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In Finland, Black metal is looked down upon in most circles. Of course the church doesn't like it but the big hit came from the people of the left wing who claim it as "Racist Metal" especially when Finland is adjusting to its high rate of globalization. To be shunned by liberalist and christian conservatives is a big hit. However some bands like CoF and Dimmu Borgir have watered down their black metal and though the quality of their music has degenerated, at least they have bread to put on their tables.

Like it or not the name "Black Metal" is an anti-religious and a racist genre of metal. It's not an opinion its a fact because that is the exact definition of the genre. Look at all the founders of black metal: Hellhammer, Bathory. The third wave of the Norweigian black metal scene came with Emperor and Cradle of Filth though these bands weren't as extreme as their ideology as their predecessors.

But recently there has been a surge in Slavic Black Metal which is bringing back a racist ideology. The bands that would be coming up in the future of this genre are bringing with them a Socialist/white supremacist ideology that I'm really pissed about :angry: Some advocates of this new wave of black metal are claiming that nationalist and supremacist are two very different things but the line between racism and nationalism / patriotism is an extremely thin and perilous one: if one is strongly nationalistic, whereby one is proud of belonging to his origins and of belonging to a particular social group, then it is no great leap to start seeing other groups as inferior.

There my rant is over. I'm not a big fan of BM but I do enjoy some bands of the genre, the open minded ones. I can't stand most of them because listening to black metal is like listening to christian gospels. There preaching their beliefs in the same narrow minded way.

If you want more information, check out Nuclear Blast Metal Archives.....
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That's nasty.
@Brak, you  have some good points there.
I don't like black metal at all,how it became the popular metal genre is beyond me.
Not only is it repetetive but it's absolutley awful what they sing about, maggots and so forth :blink:
And now have an all new racist theme.
For me music doesn't just have to sound good, it has to have good lyrics too.
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Post by: darkharmony on 20 November 2006, 00:20:53
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how it became the popular metal genre is beyond me.


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Because most of the people who are obsessed with it loves the ideology it brings OR they just like the way it sounds and either don't know what the lyrics is about or don't care.
Either way, it doesn't bother me. As Tjeerd said, most of the looneys who are part of BM bands are 50% image.(I like that quote :lol: )
And as I said before, I hate generalization....not all black metal are like that but where Brak's living (Northern Russia), I don't blame him.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: darkharmony on 20 November 2006, 00:22:22
Eh? Now bands like DB is a whole different story LOL
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Post by: Brak on 20 November 2006, 00:25:04
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where Brak's living (Northern Russia)
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Believe me, you have no idea how right you are. The people over here make Black Metal more of an abomination than it already is. :angry:
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Post by: Kierkengard on 20 November 2006, 00:44:34
Well I listen to black metal but not for its ideology. And yes, I mean it is one of the politically taboo things in the metal world that people don't like to talk about but the fact is that Black Metal's beginning were racist though I would agree with Tjeerd that most of it is just for show.
However that's not the case here in Iceland, where there are tonnes of neo-nazis who chant to music from Emperor and Venom....so go figure

@Bellatrix: I think the reason why black metal isn't as extreme as it once was is because Univeral Records (which has holdings in Spinefarm and some in Napalm) aren't tolerating the racist nonsense that comes out of BM bands. And we all know Nuclear Blast and Roadrunner Records would more likely eat corn out of their own shit rather than sign on a BM band that pushes its bias attitudes.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Evenfall on 20 November 2006, 02:15:33
I don't like black metal because I don't understand anything of what they are singing/barking
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Post by: Kierkengard on 20 November 2006, 05:08:51
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I don't like black metal because I don't understand anything of what they are singing/barking
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.....and that too! :lol:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Eclipse on 20 November 2006, 12:11:59
I haven`t seen that much generalisation in any of other threads and I`m really wondering if it is even worth bothering.

Well, I have a question for you then. Are for example power metal bands hypocrites too? I haven`t seen any of those walking around in dragon costumes or with swords either...

@Alhana Starbreeze: Just a question. Are Catamenia, Shade Empire etc. also racists? They are both from Finland...

heh, seems to me you people never heard of melodic black, atmospheric, avantgarde, symphonic; folk, death, even gothic combinations with black? The only genre that would even remotly fit into your description of "big bad" black metal is the "old school" variant  <_<

and besides, not anyone can be a black metal fan  ;) I`m pretty sure most of you, who don`t hear or understand (or are even affraid of LOL), what some of those bands sing, wouldn`t get it, even if the lyrics would be written right in front of you noses (ignorance is bliss)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 20 November 2006, 14:15:06
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I haven`t seen that much generalisation in any of other threads and I`m really wondering if it is even worth bothering.

Well, I have a question for you then. Are for example power metal bands hypocrites too? I haven`t seen any of those walking around in dragon costumes or with swords either...

@Alhana Starbreeze: Just a question. Are Catamenia, Shade Empire etc. also racists? They are both from Finland...

heh, seems to me you people never heard of melodic black, atmospheric, avantgarde, symphonic; folk, death, even gothic combinations with black? The only genre that would even remotly fit into your description of "big bad" black metal is the "old school" variant  <_<

and besides, not anyone can be a black metal fan  ;) I`m pretty sure most of you, who don`t hear or understand (or are even affraid of LOL), what some of those bands sing, wouldn`t get it, even if the lyrics would be written right in front of you noses (ignorance is bliss)
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Well if you want to interpret racist lyrics in your own way that's fine. If most people did that it would be much better. And someone said before, bands today can't have the extreme lyrics that they once had in the 'old school' black metal days like with Venom or Hellhammer or else they won't make any money to feed their children. As for understanding lyrics....believe me I'm around black metal every day of my music life and you can't find shallower lyrics in any other genre of metal. They are narrow minded when portraying their ideals, not to the mention the fact that its cliche. And while their are some that are different and can't be genralized, it just showed that the more popular BM bands are the boring ones.



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Post by: Nordlys on 20 November 2006, 14:39:38
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... you can't find shallower lyrics in any other genre of metal. ..
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I don`t think power metal lyrics are any deeper :lol:
On the contrary, they are the most repetitive
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Post by: Darth-Angina on 20 November 2006, 15:37:04
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I don`t think power metal lyrics are any deeper :lol:
On the contrary, they are the most repetitive
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I second that!

Plus, same goes for heavy...

We are brothers of metal, fighting with steel, for all that is real, because we are true metal brothers and not false metal warriors, with steel and we are true once more! And warriors! And metal brothers! With steel!

HUA?

Blah!
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: blackwing on 20 November 2006, 15:47:41
:lol: again I don't hate nor love BM but I enjoy it from time to time :D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Feandir on 20 November 2006, 16:26:55
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1. They are hypocrites. Come on folks let's be realistic. The majority of black metal bands preach about darkness and blood and blah blah blah. But we all know that most of the guys are completely fine and at the centre of society. They live in pretty nice houses. They drink their beer, watch their football matches and go home. If they ever indeed have an encounter with the devil or a demon (if it does exist) they will be shitting and pissing their pants like a 5 month old baby.

emm...
that's known like argumentum ad hominem: if you don't have how to argue, you attack the people. But that can be applied to everyone here, even to the ones who say they are the chosen ones to lead thehuman race to a better future or things like that. If you put them in front of a real god, they'll stain their trousers...

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2. They are kinda stupid. I mean it literally. (Bathory and Ceremonial Embrace especially). One particular BM site. I saw an interview where the interviewer was talking to the guitarist and asked him if he was a spiritual man. And did you know what the guitarist said....."I'm an atheist but I think Satan should be embraced" :lol:

as someone once told me... there are stupids in every human group. (Well... he used other word, not exactly stupids...)

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3. It is a narrow-minded genre. Okay with bands like Tristania e.t.c. there is usually a mix-up between themes in the music even though some albums may exhibit repititon. But come on folks BM bands only sing about one theme throughout their entire career.

who told you tristania was black metal? they just have one or other element, but they are not black metal O.o
And if you think that about black metal... it's because you don't know very much about the genre .U

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4. Several bands have members who were held up for sexual harrasment charges and even rape (gorgoroth). Now tell me would you listen extensively to music that pedophiles and serial rapists like.....I didn't think so.

you're going to another sites with that argument... it has nothing to do what you listen to with who are you.

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5. This is the long term damage of listening to black metal.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/elperro/NecroDump.jpg)
Moral here: Don't listen to black metal, it's dangerous for your health.

i'm going to do this as we do it in my country: we don't use "lol", please, that's for people who can't use the keuyboard
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

XDDDD

very good pic :D

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A Warning from Brakandaran who have seen first hand what happens to black metal fans after an overdose.
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the problems to the mind happens just to children that have not matured yet... XD

i've seen many of them .

saludos
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Deadlocked on 20 November 2006, 17:24:17
nothing against kitsch metal - that doesn't harm anyone... :P

I assume Brak was refering mainly to the old school black metal bands....
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Post by: Feandir on 20 November 2006, 18:13:34
things like mayhem, burzum, bathory?? beside, bathory is not considered completly black, but the ones that began the sound, together with the viking metal...

and i think what he says is just because he hasn't listened too much of this genre, am i wrong?
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 20 November 2006, 19:57:38
@Nordyls: PM and BM are in the same category...they both suck but to find something worth listening to for both of them......the lyrics are more open minded in power metal than in BM. Black Metal hark on the same satanic bullshit day in day out.

@Feandir: Who the hell said Tristania was even near something as vomit-worthy as black metal :huh: And btw: In terms of metal, BM is the ONLY metal that is played where I come from. You have you're everyday Nightwish and Maiden but other than that you have shit like Venom and Emperor being played.
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Post by: Kierkengard on 20 November 2006, 20:01:16
I'm with Brak. Samething over here. There's some Icelandic Black Metal Revolution bullshit that's happening where I'm from and guess what more than 3/4 of these people are so-called "neo-nazis". Now folks, my question is how fucked up does a genre of metal has to be that both satanists and racists call it their own :lol:

Blame it on Hellhammer- assholes
Blame it on Venom- more assholes.

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Post by: Sephiroth on 20 November 2006, 20:06:02
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Now folks, my question is how fucked up does a genre of metal has to be that both satanists and racists call it their own :lol:

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It has to be pretty fucked up don't it? :lol:

But hey at least we have Cradle of Shit....ahem....I mean Cradle of Filth to keep us occupied :P

What I would disagree or agree with Brak:

Hypocrites- Agreed wholeheartedly.(except for mayhem of course)
Looneys- Disagree
Racists- Agreed fully!
Stupid- Not all of them.
Satanic- duh?
Overrepetitive- of course

Definitely not my genre of metal but hey some people seem to like Black Metal so....let the good times roll :D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Eclipse on 20 November 2006, 20:27:44
WTF!!!???

are you people really insane?

@Brak: you pointed out plenty of times, that you don`t have a CLUE about black metal! Not all black metal bands themes are satanic, and not just that, each band can have it`s own unique theme and believe it or not, it can be expressed not just with lyrics, but with everything a metal band incorporates...

@Kirkengard: Oh, so black metal is the reason you`ve got that many nazi idiots up there? lol, my guess would be their brainless heads  ;) And another thing, we`ve got racists here too, and nazis, but guess what - they hate metalheads, especially black metal fans, the main reason are black clothes, long hair etc.

over and out, writing in this theme is obviously a big waste of time
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 20 November 2006, 20:37:15
You think so?
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Post by: Feandir on 20 November 2006, 20:38:11
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@Feandir: Who the hell said Tristania was even near something as vomit-worthy as black metal :huh: And btw: In terms of metal, BM is the ONLY metal that is played where I come from. You have you're everyday Nightwish and Maiden but other than that you have shit like Venom and Emperor being played.
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mmm...
venom is not black metal, they gave the bass for it, but they themself aren't black metal. Emperor is a very good band, but you must know there are bands and bands of black metal. There is nazism and racism on it, but is not in everyone, but stupids there are all around the world.

But black metal is not as bad as you show, there are many good bands, and they talk of many topics on their songs (listen to cradle of filth, demon burger, i mean, dimmu borgir, theatre des vampire, satyricon, and i don't know what any other bands may you  hear, they aren't as bad as you say).

There are some things that are true, as bands as burzum and mayhem that got famous because of their implication on diferent strange things, like murders and things like that...

@eclipse: good point about pseudo-nazis
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Post by: Brak on 20 November 2006, 20:39:08
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Not all black metal bands themes are satanic, and not just that, each band can have it`s own unique theme and believe it or not, it can be expressed not just with lyrics, but with everything a metal band incorporates...
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Mmmm......so that what BM does to you people huh :mellow:

"unique themes"---nice way to describe bands that preah extreme right-wing ideologies. Listen here you ameteur, if you listen to 99% of all black metal you'd see that they all have an anti-collectivist mindset. And tell me something: why is it that there is no National Socialist Symphonic Metal Movement or no National Socialist Power Metal Movement or no National Socialist Gothic Metal Movement or no National Socialist Heavy Metal Movement?

What the FUCK is it that makes black metal so appealing that would make it fit for a National Socialist Black Metal Movement. Go dive into your band's so called "unique themes" and settle that question cause if you can't answer that you're just like the clueless people out there who doesn't know shit about the genre and just bang their heads like monkeys to cacophonous bullshit like Dimmu Borgir, e.t.c.
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Post by: Kierkengard on 20 November 2006, 20:43:51
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What the FUCK is it that makes black metal so appealing that would make it fit for a National Socialist Black Metal Movement. Go dive into your band's so called "unique themes" and settle that question cause if you can't answer that you're just like the clueless people out there who doesn't know shit about the genre and just bang their heads like monkeys to cacophonous bullshit like Dimmu Borgir, e.t.c.
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Good point.......and I thought disney programmed kids, can't be as bad as black metal :lol:
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Post by: Feandir on 20 November 2006, 20:49:11
i think that's more a fashion than a movement. They followed the fashion of being bad boys playing black metal, always you can find things like that.
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Post by: Dreamchild on 21 November 2006, 04:26:02
Black Metal huh. I think the problem that the person who started the thread has is with the interpretation of the music. I mean yes, the extreme ideas put foward by BM can indeed cause some sicko racists to interpret it in certain way. But let's say you're a metal fan who have never heard of Black Metal and then you hear a song from let's say Darkwoods My Bethroed, there's no way in hell you'd interpret that as being satanic or racist. It is all relativism. BM is so versatile that I think verasility is the answer you're looking for Brak.
That's the inherent thing that would make idiots take black metal and make their own socialist version. It's a well know fact that metal is the most popular among whites and so it is a target of white nationalists. However, they can't just go into symphonic metal or something like that and preach hatred. They need a more flimsier genre, which of course is Black Metal. Sad but true :(
And yes it does sicken me that most black metal is looked upon in this way but that's just the reality of it.

@Feandir: Venom was actually the first band that was classified as black metal after which the genre went true a progressive type evolution into the BM we know today :)
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Post by: Volkmar on 21 November 2006, 04:42:14
Nice point dreamchild :)
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Post by: Brak on 21 November 2006, 04:43:49
Albums I'd like to get a refund for because I didn't know they would be bullshit (oddly enough they are all BM bands):





Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales

Immortal- Pure Holocaust

Satyricon- Dark Medieval Times (I'd pardon this album because it has a more folk metal influence which I love but the band itself sucks)

Darkthrone- Transylvanian Hunger (some queer shit! :angry: )

Enslaved- Vikingligr Veldi (and to think that neo-paganism can't get any more boring)

Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas (if the band isn't looney and fucked up, this album sure is)

Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Darth-Angina on 21 November 2006, 10:40:22
Morbid Tales is a work of art.

As you say in your signature, you should really stay off drugs, they really managed to damage your nervous system.
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Post by: Feandir on 21 November 2006, 16:53:48
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Black Metal huh. I think the problem that the person who started the thread has is with the interpretation of the music. I mean yes, the extreme ideas put foward by BM can indeed cause some sicko racists to interpret it in certain way. But let's say you're a metal fan who have never heard of Black Metal and then you hear a song from let's say Darkwoods My Bethroed, there's no way in hell you'd interpret that as being satanic or racist. It is all relativism. BM is so versatile that I think verasility is the answer you're looking for Brak.
That's the inherent thing that would make idiots take black metal and make their own socialist version. It's a well know fact that metal is the most popular among whites and so it is a target of white nationalists. However, they can't just go into symphonic metal or something like that and preach hatred. They need a more flimsier genre, which of course is Black Metal. Sad but true :(
And yes it does sicken me that most black metal is looked upon in this way but that's just the reality of it.

@Feandir: Venom was actually the first band that was classified as black metal after which the genre went true a progressive type evolution into the BM we know today :)
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your points are good indeed.

But Venom, i've known that they are considered the... let me look for the word... merde... the !"$&/( online dictionary is slow ... there it is XD

well, as i was telling, Venom i've known they are considered the forerunner of the genre, but not part of the genre it self, just like bathory and sodom (i know sodom is thrash metal, it just what i've heard), something similar to what running wild is for the power metal (what a good band is that!!). Venom is supposed to be black metal just because of their Black Metal album...

saludos
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Post by: Sephiroth on 21 November 2006, 16:57:50
doesn't surprise me, there are idiots who consider Kreator black metal :rolleyes:
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Post by: Feandir on 21 November 2006, 17:01:28
you're joking

please tell me it's a joke o.o

WAAAAAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJJA XD

kreator black metal XD

hahahahaha

kreator is the greatest thrash metal ever!!! \m/ XD
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Post by: DecemberEvenfall on 21 November 2006, 18:30:09
CRADLE OF FILTH <3
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Post by: Feandir on 21 November 2006, 18:33:46
cradle is a great band :D
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Post by: Brak on 21 November 2006, 18:34:22
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Morbid Tales is a work of art.

As you say in your signature, you should really stay off drugs, they really managed to damage your nervous system.
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So I guess alcohol goes well with black metal for you too huh ;)
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Post by: nocturnal_concerto on 22 November 2006, 01:22:44
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cradle is a great band :D
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I agree! But they aren't really what I would consider black metal. More like a lower grade of Symphonic black metal, they are actually more symphonic than black metal I can't handle black metal it isn't my cup of tea. People always think I'm nuts when they know I like Cradle of Filth since I'm kind of the calm hippy person. I'm listening to Gilded Cunt atm and I dunno I like the song Guilded cunt mostly for the guitar. I love guitars so go figure. But if someone considers CoF black metal its so debated I don't know. But I think Nymphetamine is more black metal than Thornography. Thornography goes into Symphonic elements in my opinion. I like most of CoF Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine (I own the special edition :D ) and Thornography. Everything before is okay but I'm not too into it.
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Post by: Dreamchild on 22 November 2006, 03:56:59
Wow, if you're saying Nymphetamine is more black metal than Thornography, Thornography must really suck! :blink:

btw: I haven't got that album and from what I hear, I don't think I'd bother getting it anyways.
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Post by: nocturnal_concerto on 22 November 2006, 12:04:20
No I'm not saying it sucks, I'm saying its too different from Nymphetamine, not a bad thing. I like it still. Under Huntress moon is a great song though it features Sarah :).
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Post by: Feandir on 22 November 2006, 15:48:48
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I agree! But they aren't really what I would consider black metal. More like a lower grade of Symphonic black metal, they are actually more symphonic than black metal I can't handle black metal it isn't my cup of tea. People always think I'm nuts when they know I like Cradle of Filth since I'm kind of the calm hippy person. I'm listening to Gilded Cunt atm and I dunno I like the song Guilded cunt mostly for the guitar. I love guitars so go figure. But if someone considers CoF black metal its so debated I don't know. But I think Nymphetamine is more black metal than Thornography. Thornography goes into Symphonic elements in my opinion. I like most of CoF Damnation and a Day, Nymphetamine (I own the special edition :D ) and Thornography. Everything before is okay but I'm not too into it.
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in fact, cradle is not exactly symphonic black metal, in fact, here we use to say that they are gothic black metal, because of their atmosphere, topics and lot oaf other details
my favorite album of them is V Empire, they were introduced to me with that album and i was  like what an album /omg. Nymphetamine is a great album too, but i haven't listened to thornography yet TT_TT

About their black metal,  i think they are criticized or whatever because the balck metal scene, generally talking, is narrow-minded. in their homepage, danny filth says why is hard for them to consider themself a black metal band.
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Post by: Omagastar on 22 November 2006, 23:37:09
A good example of a black metal band who tested the limits of what the style was defined as, and in doing so created something completely new is Arcturus.  I find this band to be interesting because their first carnation was death metal, their second was black metal, and now they have a style of their own :D
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Post by: Dreamchild on 23 November 2006, 03:52:49
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A good example of a black metal band who tested the limits of what the style was defined as, and in doing so created something completely new is Arcturus.  I find this band to be interesting because their first carnation was death metal, their second was black metal, and now they have a style of their own :D
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Arctucus....well if they don't conform to the stereotype of black metal, I'd definitely check them out....thanks! :)
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Post by: Omagastar on 23 November 2006, 04:54:09
no problem. and yes, they are anything but stereotypical Black Metal, Their style can not easily be described with words. One thing though, Clean vocals are the main style used.
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Post by: Demigod_of_Twilight on 23 November 2006, 06:26:14
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CRADLE OF FILTH <3
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I don't understand why so many people like them. the singer can't even screech properly.
COF is like pretty much Nu-metal because  it's been waered down quite a bit.
And no definately not Black metal or Death Metal for that matter.
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Post by: Brak on 23 November 2006, 06:31:21
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I don't understand why so many people like them. the singer can't even screech properly.
COF is like pretty much Nu-metal because  it's been waered down quite a bit.
And no definately not Black metal or Death Metal for that matter.
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Watered down is an understatement. They've thrown away the skeleton and just wear a skin. That's the reason why the majority of black metal sucks, the people who do go to the extreme are highly criticized by people like me and others because of the band's bias ideas. And those who choose not to go to the extreme basically turn the genre's into child's play. This narrow-minded genre of metal is defintely not worth listening to for me.
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Post by: Virgil on 23 November 2006, 06:39:07
So who cares if BM is racist :rolleyes:
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Post by: Bellatrix on 23 November 2006, 06:40:33
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So who cares if BM is racist :rolleyes:
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What the fuck? :angry:
I care! And quite frankly there are certain BM bands that offend me to no end which is the premier reason why I very much share the same hatred for this genre as Brak :angry:
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Post by: Virgil on 23 November 2006, 06:42:08
Why would you care? It's not like if they're offending you anyways ;)
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Post by: Bellatrix on 23 November 2006, 06:45:48
Well the fact that my children are of mixed race (half-African).... and when there are the dumbass neo-nazi rallies, what's the music you hear at those meetings? The Warriors of Modern Death by Emperor or some frigging Dimmu Borgir blasting from every corner or Mayhem being playing in the background. :angry:
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Post by: Brak on 23 November 2006, 07:23:27
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Well the fact that my children are of mixed race (half-African).... and when there are the dumbass neo-nazi rallies, what's the music you hear at those meetings? The Warriors of Modern Death by Emperor or some frigging Dimmu Borgir blasting from every corner or Mayhem being playing in the background. :angry:
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Post by: Nordlys on 23 November 2006, 08:57:13
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I don't understand why so many people like them. the singer can't even screech properly.
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I assume you have never listened to masterpieces like Dusk and Her Embrace or Cruelty and the Beast then? I don`t know any singer who is more versatile than Dani Filth.
But again, it`s a matter of taste, of course you don`t like him if you are listening to Rhapsody...

Just one question. Can you give me an example of a singer who can "screech" properly, so I at least know your basis for comparison? I just got tired of groundless opinions in this thread.
Thanks

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Post by: ychi4100 on 23 November 2006, 10:28:42
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A good example of a black metal band who tested the limits of what the style was defined as, and in doing so created something completely new is Arcturus.  I find this band to be interesting because their first carnation was death metal, their second was black metal, and now they have a style of their own :D
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Not much to add here except I appreciate almost any style of music as long as it sounds good to me, although I usually ain't crazy about power metal (there are some exceptions). Every genre has good and bad bands. I'm not gonna waste my time and start a "why power metal sucks" thread here. If you don't like Black Metal, stay away from it.

Speaking of Arcturus, I'm extremely impressed with their black catalogue, I've had their Aspera Hiems Symfonia/Constellation/My Angel (re-mastered) for weeks now, it hasn't left my CD player yet.  That doesn't happen very often. ;) I just regret that I hadn't bought this CD sooner.



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Post by: Darth-Angina on 23 November 2006, 11:15:03
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So I guess alcohol goes well with black metal for you too huh ;)
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Post by: Brak on 23 November 2006, 16:35:36
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Every genre has good and bad bands. I'm not gonna waste my time and start a "why power metal sucks" thread here.
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Everybody already knows why power metal sucks. Black metal sucks in a whole different way that novices won't be able to see.
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Post by: darkharmony on 23 November 2006, 16:39:13
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Well the fact that my children are of mixed race (half-African).... and when there are the dumbass neo-nazi rallies, what's the music you hear at those meetings? The Warriors of Modern Death by Emperor or some frigging Dimmu Borgir blasting from every corner or Mayhem being playing in the background. :angry:
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And that's the sad part about it. Any music that preaches hatred is something I want to keep away from especially the way BM does it. But there are some bands out there that's probably okay. I mean didn't Tuomas Holopainen play keyboard for Darkwoods My Bethroed for some time.   ;)
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Post by: Bellatrix on 23 November 2006, 16:41:46
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And that's the sad part about it. Any music that preaches hatred is something I want to keep away from especially the way BM does it. But there are some bands out there that's probably okay. I mean didn't Tuomas Holopainen play keyboard for Darkwoods My Bethroed for some time.   ;)
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Yes but he also plays for For My Pain and he says the reason why he plays there. And he also played for a really good Jazz style called Nattvinedes Grat, and he said why the band ended it. But did he say why he left Darkwoods My Bethroed?? No he didn't.
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Post by: Volkmar on 23 November 2006, 16:47:53
fuck black metal....it's only home lay in the post-communist states of Eastern Europe and for those who disagree, you have no idea of the history and beginnings of this genre.



http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=407 (http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=407)

http://www.live4metal.com/ultimate-extremism.htm (http://www.live4metal.com/ultimate-extremism.htm)
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Post by: Dreamchild on 23 November 2006, 16:52:39
@Bellatrix: If that's the way Black Metal is used where you come from, I defintely don't blame you of looking at the genre from that perspective. I would hate it to death to if I had to put up with that shit where I'm from :blink:

@Volkmar: the last sentence in the article sums it up....:Perhaps one should just try to remember that black metal was always supposed to be nasty
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Post by: Kierkengard on 23 November 2006, 17:13:02
LOL CoF sucks big time.

@Nordyls: You actually enjoyed songs like Beauty Slept in Sodom and Heaven Torn Asunder.

Also, which dumbass would make an album like "I Raped the Virgin Mary and Hung the Bastard Christ"......but then again, quite typical of most narrow minded BM bands :rolleyes: What do they think they are: 21st century slayer :rolleyes:

But what really.....REALLY wanted me to fucking kill dani filth and set his entire fucking band on flames was when he with his faggy feminine voice decided to do a cover for Hallowed Be thy Name. By soiling that perfect song with his stupid Black Metal elements, it gave a reason for the old metalheads to snipe him. And when I watched at youtube, everyone comments that CoF version of Hallowed Be thy Name is the original version and most of them don't know who Iron maiden is.
Listen, Black Metal has its saviors but it also has a large amount of assholes in the genre.

Cradle of Filth....Their name speaks for itself.
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Post by: Feandir on 23 November 2006, 17:15:30
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I assume you have never listened to masterpieces like Dusk and Her Embrace or Cruelty and the Beast then? I don`t know any singer who is more versatile than Dani Filth.
But again, it`s a matter of taste, of course you don`t like him if you are listening to Rhapsody...

Just one question. Can you give me an example of a singer who can "screech" properly, so I at least know your basis for comparison? I just got tired of groundless opinions in this thread.
Thanks
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I agree with that. Danny Filth is a great frontman and bm singer (the problem is that he destroyed his troath with it u.u... that's why his quality has gone down)

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@Bellatrix: If that's the way Black Metal is used where you come from, I defintely don't blame you of looking at the genre from that perspective. I would hate it to death to if I had to put up with that shit where I'm from :blink:

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I agree with this  :huh:
Even in a land as lost as this there are assholes swearing that they are the pure race .
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Post by: Deadlocked on 23 November 2006, 17:17:38
I've seen Cradle once live.. and all he was able to say was "that's craaaap" and "make some noooiiisseee" and some f***s where there between too, that doesn't make a great frontman for me...
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Post by: darkharmony on 23 November 2006, 17:20:24
@Feandir: Probably the reason why Dani Filth's voice is kinda screwy now is because he probably has been sucking way too much d*ck lately

@Kierkengard: Cradle of Fith could never EVER fucking be as good as a Iron Maiden or a Slayer. Did you hear their cover for Slayer's Angel of Death :blink: That was as bad as a fucking crucifixtion. And the idiots who have know knowledge of metal would listen to it and think "That's song is awesome" or "Cradle of Filth sure makes cool songs" :angry:
When I was looking at an album of CoF, they had Angel of Death on the playlist but they didn't even mentioned that it was a Slayer cover.
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Post by: Nordlys on 23 November 2006, 18:28:57
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LOL CoF sucks big time.

@Nordyls: You actually enjoyed songs like Beauty Slept in Sodom and Heaven Torn Asunder.

Also, which dumbass would make an album like "I Raped the Virgin Mary and Hung the Bastard Christ"......but then again, quite typical of most narrow minded BM bands :rolleyes: What do they think they are: 21st century slayer :rolleyes:

But what really.....REALLY wanted me to fucking kill dani filth and set his entire fucking band on flames was when he with his faggy feminine voice decided to do a cover for Hallowed Be thy Name. By soiling that perfect song with his stupid Black Metal elements, it gave a reason for the old metalheads to snipe him. And when I watched at youtube, everyone comments that CoF version of Hallowed Be thy Name is the original version and most of them don't know who Iron maiden is.
Listen, Black Metal has its saviors but it also has a large amount of assholes in the genre.

Cradle of Filth....Their name speaks for itself.
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Beauty Slept in Sodom and Heaven Torn Apart are two perfect songs from a perfect album. Why shouldn`t I like them? I don`t have any problem with the titles if that is what you are implying.
And Hallowed be Thy Name is indeed a great song by Iron Maiden but what the hell is wrong with CoF covering it, it sounds very fresh in their version PLUS if CoF have chosen to cover an Iron Maiden song it means they have done it out of respect for the biggest heavy metal band ever.
I can never be so extreme to a band I don`t like, I`m just indifferent. And you people pour out anger and hatred as if they have done sth irreparable to mankind and you in particular.  Sorry but this is very shallow. I refuse to post in this thread, no point to argue with ppl who have no idea what they are talking about.
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Post by: darkharmony on 23 November 2006, 19:13:23
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Beauty Slept in Sodom and Heaven Torn Apart are two perfect songs from a perfect album. Why shouldn`t I like them? I don`t have any problem with the titles if that is what you are implying.
And Hallowed be Thy Name is indeed a great song by Iron Maiden but what the hell is wrong with CoF covering it, it sounds very fresh in their version PLUS if CoF have chosen to cover an Iron Maiden song it means they have done it out of respect for the biggest heavy metal band ever.
I can never be so extreme to a band I don`t like, I`m just indifferent. And you people pour out anger and hatred as if they have done sth irreparable to mankind and you in particular.  Sorry but this is very shallow. I refuse to post in this thread, no point to argue with ppl who have no idea what they are talking about.
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No point in argueing about people who knows nothing about metal anways ;)
And have they done irrepearable damage to mankind....eh yes? But you should no that shouldn't you. If you listen to black metal you should know what extremists do.
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Post by: darkharmony on 23 November 2006, 19:17:19
Okay so cradle of filth you think is okay?
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Post by: Kierkengard on 23 November 2006, 19:20:38
Okay so I've been listening to metal for like what....18...20 years and I've seen heavy metal branch of into respective genres. Black Metal was the worst of them all. It started off as first a kind of anti-christian kind of music but then evolved through extreme right wing ideas. Honestly, I only see ugliness in BM, I could see why certain people like it though.....but for me either they're all racists or they're hyprocites. You don't win in either situation.
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Post by: Feandir on 23 November 2006, 19:21:21
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@Feandir: Probably the reason why Dani Filth's voice is kinda screwy now is because he probably has been sucking way too much d*ck lately

@Kierkengard: Cradle of Fith could never EVER fucking be as good as a Iron Maiden or a Slayer. Did you hear their cover for Slayer's Angel of Death :blink: That was as bad as a fucking crucifixtion. And the idiots who have know knowledge of metal would listen to it and think "That's song is awesome" or "Cradle of Filth sure makes cool songs" :angry:
When I was looking at an album of CoF, they had Angel of Death on the playlist but they didn't even mentioned that it was a Slayer cover.
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in fact, dani has 5 surgeons in his troat or whatever it is.

And Cradle of filth can be better than slayer, why? because slayer are good, but they have a poor musical quality, i like them, but angel of death, evil has no boundaries and war ensemble start with almost the same notes and the same riffs.
And i've never heard of an angel of death cover by CoF  :huh: what were you smoking'?? i've heard Hell Awaits (that's a good cover!!!!)

@deadlocked: i didn't say he was the best frontman, i said he was good, he is not afraid of the public and can act naturally in front of them. And he has a good position
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Post by: Kierkengard on 23 November 2006, 19:31:42
@Feandir: not all songs from a band necessarily has to come from an album (Remember Nightwish's The Gatekeeper) :)

Cradle Of Filth- Angel of Death (http://www.last.fm/music/Cradle+of+Filth/_/Angel+of+Death+(Slayer+Song))
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Post by: Feandir on 23 November 2006, 19:47:51
i know it, but i've never heard of it, well... i've never listened to the tribute albums, and i don't know of singles o.o

wow...

everyday you learn something new :o
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Post by: Deadlocked on 23 November 2006, 20:20:12
@ Feandir: Nevertheless his behaviour isn't bearable imho... don' know if he acts everytime that stupid...
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Post by: Omagastar on 23 November 2006, 23:27:38
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Not much to add here except I appreciate almost any style of music as long as it sounds good to me, although I usually ain't crazy about power metal (there are some exceptions). Every genre has good and bad bands. I'm not gonna waste my time and start a "why power metal sucks" thread here. If you don't like Black Metal, stay away from it.

Speaking of Arcturus, I'm extremely impressed with their black catalogue, I've had their Aspera Hiems Symfonia/Constellation/My Angel (re-mastered) for weeks now, it hasn't left my CD player yet.  That doesn't happen very often. ;) I just regret that I hadn't bought this CD sooner.
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Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Sephiroth on 24 November 2006, 02:10:27
The funny thing is that people say that Brak's thread are useless yet all his threads have gone to 2 pages or more :rolleyes:
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Post by: Brak on 24 November 2006, 02:14:17
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The funny thing is that people say that Brak's thread are useless yet all his threads have gone to 2 pages or more :rolleyes:
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Post by: Evenfall on 24 November 2006, 03:06:57
:lol: mainly because Brak's thread break the monotony we were used to......maybe?
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Valkyrie on 24 November 2006, 03:48:17
Black Metal isn't racist.....the people who make the music is racist....believe me there's a difference. Yeah Dani Fith looks like a kinda satanist without his make up but as far as I'm concerned he could well be a hypocritical piece of shit who wants to keep the light on in his bedroom when he goes to sleep :lol:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Starchild on 27 November 2006, 03:54:25
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Black Metal isn't racist.....the people who make the music is racist....believe me there's a difference. Yeah Dani Fith looks like a kinda satanist without his make up but as far as I'm concerned he could well be a hypocritical piece of shit who wants to keep the light on in his bedroom when he goes to sleep :lol:
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Not only Dani but Shaggrath and all the other fucking posers.  :rolleyes:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: scarleth on 27 November 2006, 22:24:07
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I can't stand most of them because listening to black metal is like listening to christian gospels. There preaching their beliefs in the same narrow minded way.
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 Thats exactly what I think about black metal.
 And for those black metal bands that dont really follow satan, they are also hypocrite...
For me black and white metal are the scum of metal, music is art, should not be used 100% for religious subject.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Starchild on 27 November 2006, 23:11:22
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Also, which dumbass would make an album like "I Raped the Virgin Mary and Hung the Bastard Christ"......but then again, quite typical of most narrow minded BM bands :rolleyes: What do they think they are: 21st century slayer :rolleyes:

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LOL Agreed! :D  If you've listened to most black metal bands today, you can picture all of them around a radio listening to Slayer and then going into the studios afterwards. :rolleyes:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Omagastar on 27 November 2006, 23:52:10
some black metal lyrics are astralogical.  So it is a genralisation to say that all are satanic.  Satamism is a noring subjuct however
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: xXLenoreGooD. on 28 November 2006, 02:56:12
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some black metal lyrics are astralogical.  So it is a genralisation to say that all are satanic.  Satamism is a noring subjuct however
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Cheers mate!
I TOTALLY agree ;)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Demigod_of_Twilight on 28 November 2006, 08:52:36
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I assume you have never listened to masterpieces like Dusk and Her Embrace or Cruelty and the Beast then? I don`t know any singer who is more versatile than Dani Filth.
But again, it`s a matter of taste, of course you don`t like him if you are listening to Rhapsody...

Just one question. Can you give me an example of a singer who can "screech" properly, so I at least know your basis for comparison? I just got tired of groundless opinions in this thread.
Thanks
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Well Anders would be an obvious example.
I guess I just don't like Dani's voice.
COF is pretty mediocre, no wonder so many angsty teenagers like them :lol:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: lordhong on 28 November 2006, 13:28:39
I saw Headbanger over the weekend (the movie).

The interview with Gorgoroth was so laughable, does he realize he's not even good enough of an actor not to look fake? And the comment from Alice Cooper right afterward were priceless :)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Starchild on 28 November 2006, 13:31:43
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COF is pretty mediocre, no wonder so many angsty teenagers like them :lol:
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CoF isn't mediocre, CoF is just gay. Straight and simple. Honestly could you seriously watch at Dani Filth with his british accent and overdone makeup and look at him as....evil :huh: Hell, I'm ten times more evil than Dani.
This guy is so freaking hilarious in the Nymphentamine video, I almost died of laughter :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Feandir on 28 November 2006, 17:21:59
that's the problem with BM: if you try to do something different with the genre, people just attacks you saying thousand of bad things about you. Happened with CoF. Happened with Dimmu Borgir.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Animal Bucket on 28 November 2006, 19:31:13
I listen to "songs." If I like a song, I know I'll eventually want to hear it again & I'll listen to it again sooner or later. If I don't like a song for any reason whatsoever, I simply won't ever listen to that song again, it's as easy as that for me. It's nice to put something on where you don't have to utilize the skip track function at all during the course of the listen, but that's what it's there for, to skips songs you don't like, right?  :D  ;)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: blackwing on 28 November 2006, 19:42:46
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Black Metal isn't racist.....the people who make the music is racist....believe me there's a difference.
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agree. my friend enjoys black metal and her best friend is black so i think it's pointless to argue about this ;D
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: ashpongledone on 29 November 2006, 00:37:06
@Brak: I haven't read the content of the whole topic due to simple lazyness. :) The thing is, I disagree with you generally. Black metal died with it's carnage, with it's burzum, darkthrone, satyricon, mayhem, samael early ears, actually. Nowadays there is a black metal "rock"-like scene, which doesn't offer the image and the concept of early black metal artists.

Anyway, why do you hate so much BM?
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Brak on 29 November 2006, 03:03:16
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Anyway, why do you hate so much BM?
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Probably cause I've seen what it does....like a couple of people on this forum. If I was living in a place where everybody listened to the music but never actually practiced what the bands preach in their lyrics I'd have a whole different outlook on BM. I've also seen those kinds of people and weighing both sides, I come to the conclusion that BM is the most shameful and most disgusting branch of Metal.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Bellatrix on 29 November 2006, 03:04:49
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Probably cause I've seen what it does.....
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You got that right ;)
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Tjeerd on 29 November 2006, 17:18:26
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but never actually practiced what the bands preach in their lyrics
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If people start to act like the lyrics of the songs they hear, it's not the genres fault, but the ones "obeying" the lyrics.

The obeying ones are weak of mind. Like I said before, I'm listening to gospel music as well as anti-religious music (Deicide's "Kill the Christian" for example) and both do not guide me.

This is like blaming all christians/muslims/jews/communists/whatever for bad deeds inflicted upon others (like terror). Some individual idiots to not reflect the majority.
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Omagastar on 29 November 2006, 19:16:07
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If people start to act like the lyrics of the songs they hear, it's not the genres fault, but the ones "obeying" the lyrics.

The obeying ones are weak of mind. Like I said before, I'm listening to gospel music as well as anti-religious music (Deicide's "Kill the Christian" for example) and both do not guide me.

This is like blaming all christians/muslims/jews/communists/whatever for bad deeds inflicted upon others (like terror). Some individual idiots to not reflect the majority.
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Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Evenfall on 03 December 2006, 05:52:18
Black Metal = barking like a rottweiller possesed by 1,000 devils = crap!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Bagman on 03 December 2006, 22:36:19
I cannot even tell the diference between Black and Death Metal. I find that Black Metal is a genre very difficult to understand (both music and lyrics). But there is only one thing that I like and admire in Black Metal: The feeling and dedication that those bands put on their music. The bad thing of Black is that sometimes the imagery and lyrics seems to become more important than the music, but that happens in every genre of rock.
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: ann die death on 10 March 2007, 18:02:22
that's the problem with BM: if you try to do something different with the genre, people just attacks you saying thousand of bad things about you. Happened with CoF. Happened with Dimmu Borgir.

And Satyricon  ;D

anyways they are some BM musicians that obiusly thaty are not like that all the time

an example can be Stefan from graveworm, he is like the coolest guy on earth, he likes soccer he chat with the fans and he is like a normal guy with an exellent voice.

and he is not alone wen Dimmu Borgir came here my boyfriend go out with them (to a table dance  :-\ ) but they have fun and they goof around and stuff like that

and I have been read stories like that from 1349 and Emperor the fact they act in the videos or in stage like real damage people that dont mean that they are like that the whole time

another example Angela Gosow ( I know she is not in BM ) she acts in stage, but out stage she is a swett kind person

so I like Black Metal, I like The Stage Performance and I like to goof around
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Bloodstorm on 30 July 2007, 22:25:01
Black Metal is great music, just look as the lyrics (not all, of course).
Here's one.
Dimmu Borgir - The Serpentine Offering

My descent is the story of everyman
I am hatred, darkness and despair
My descent is the story of everyman
I am hatred, darkness and despair

Evoked and entertained through centuries
Wreathful and sullen
Dormant still

The ferocity pervades everywhere
Waiting to be released at last
Hear my offering
Ye bastards sons and daughters
Share my sacrifice
Share my sacrifice

My descent is the story of everyman
I am hatred, darkness and despair
My descent is the story of everyman
I am hatred, darkness and despair

Reconcile not with the fear of the snake
but embrace it as your own
Inject it's venom into your veins
And replanet the seed that gives growth
Still shrouded in mystery until you arise above perception
A veil of ignorance is in motion continuing throughout generations

A veil of ignorance is in motion
Continuing through multiple generations
Let me be the one who deliever you from the deceit
And back into perfect accordance with the laws of nature

The snake is notoriously tempting
But the snake is fair
What is worse than no knowing
To live or disappear

The ferocity pervades everywhere
Waiting to be released at last
Hear my offering
Ye bastards sons and daughters
Share my sacrifice
Share my sacrifice
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Omagastar on 31 July 2007, 17:28:25
Lyrics from Arcturus's black metal stage. these ones are actually  inueresting XD

To Thou Who Dwellest In The Night


Here is so desolate;
Times, they are dark
Words ceas' - to end as echoes rolling afar

Empathy arises
whilst thou drapest this world in black;
The only colour that can paint my soul

Clad in the shades of night
Thou reflects the pure of heart

Amidst all the grief this winter unfoldeth
The thorn in my side - thou retainst

Thy breeze maketh me shiver
Maimeth me with its frozen malice
Thou minglest with the dense night
I hearken to the voice of thy winds
They are the saddest of all sounds of thine
Never will I take leave from thy haunt

Hast thou ever desired me?
I recieve no answer, thou letst it pass in silence...
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Darth-Angina on 01 August 2007, 14:38:24
It doesn't.
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: crucified_vampire on 02 August 2007, 22:09:37
black metal is scarry!
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: reumeren on 02 November 2010, 00:18:17
1. They are hypocrites. Come on folks let's be realistic. The majority of black metal bands preach about darkness and blood and blah blah blah. But we all know that most of the guys are completely fine and at the centre of society. They live in pretty nice houses. They drink their beer, watch their football matches and go home. If they ever indeed have an encounter with the devil or a demon (if it does exist) they will be shitting and pissing their pants like a 5 month old baby.

I guess you have forgotten about the church arsons, the murders, the racism, the violent stage performances etc? They were young lads with extreme ideologies - many of them lived perfect lives. That's why younger generations revolt and rise up aginst society. They were sick of trendy music, christianity and ''niceness'' in general. If you can't understand that, then you're as dumb as the people who would rather deep-throat a shotgun than insult Tarja.


2. They are kinda stupid. I mean it literally. (Bathory and Ceremonial Embrace especially). One particular BM site. I saw an interview where the interviewer was talking to the guitarist and asked him if he was a spiritual man. And did you know what the guitarist said....."I'm an atheist but I think Satan should be embraced" :lol:

He (I'm assuming it's a ''he'') meant the ideology of Satan in CHRISTIAN MYTHOLOGY is more likable than God's. I agree! I do not believe in God, but if the Bible, and therefore Christianity, was true, then Satan makes alot more sense than God the Tyrant.

3. It is a narrow-minded genre. Okay with bands like Tristania e.t.c. there is usually a mix-up between themes in the music even though some albums may exhibit repititon. But come on folks BM bands only sing about one theme throughout their entire career.

Satanism, evil, misanthropy, death and suffering are common themes in black metal. But folk-lore, history, war, philosophy, politics are also common themes. You are just wrong!

4. Several bands have members who were held up for sexual harrasment charges and even rape (gorgoroth). Now tell me would you listen extensively to music that pedophiles and serial rapists like.....I didn't think so.

I do! Varg Vikernes burned down historical and beautiful buildings, he killed another man, he is a neo-nazi, a pagan, a norwegian nationalist.... but I adore his music and art! Knut Hamsun supported Hitler, people still read his books. And people listen to Micheal Jackson...

5. This is the long term damage of listening to black metal.

No, YOU cause long-term damage for being such an idiot.
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Tjeerd on 02 November 2010, 07:10:22
Ehm... Brak hasn't been around for 3,5 years.
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: reumeren on 02 November 2010, 10:50:43
Then he's been theoretically pwnd  ::)
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: Funeralord on 02 November 2010, 10:51:43
Plus, he/she opened a thread about Hilary Duff:
http://theilluminated.net/general-music/hilary-duff/
C'MON REUMEREN!!! YOU CAN'T TAKE HIM/HER SERIOUSLY!!! ???
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: reumeren on 02 November 2010, 11:04:50
After long hours of homework, a silly flame war actually look compelling  :P I know he sounded like a troll, but... I have nothing.
Title: Re: Why Black Metal sucks!
Post by: trampled-tree on 17 May 2016, 01:00:41
Because the artists support rape , genocide, Satanism. This is what they promote. Influenced or not the kids, most of them seem as influenced as Hitler supporters. I'm not a freaking outsider, I've met a couple of those and know what I talk about. They're fanatics. Only a fanatic can bear what black metal stands for anyways. Oh it's a joke, it's shock value? I don't agree. It's bad energy that just gathers up bad people. At least you know who you're ealing with and you won't be fooled , right? Music can go to hell (they love HELL don't they?) if it stands for this. It's not funny. It's trash.