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« Reply #40 on: 08 January 2007, 00:47:29 »

The album is a FAILURE! The only songs that are half-decent are "The Ravens" and "Deadlands" !
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« Reply #41 on: 08 January 2007, 02:54:48 »

I think honestly it's how you look at it. Tristania may bring in new fans and some old ones may continue listening to their old works, and then some fans will remain loyal like myself. I've been listening to Tristania for about 8 months to be exact, and I can't get enough of their music. I myself find the album a refreshing change from Ashes. Even though I loved the symphonic sounds from their first three albums, Ashes and now Illumination to me sound fantastic. I hope that Tristania continues
in another new direction when they release a sixth album.
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« Reply #42 on: 08 January 2007, 05:04:42 »

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The album is a FAILURE! The only songs that are half-decent are "The Ravens" and "Deadlands" !
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you really must be disappointed if you just registered for letting us know that you dislike the album.. ;) :rolleyes:
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« Reply #43 on: 08 January 2007, 05:14:44 »

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you really must be disappointed if you just registered for letting us know that you dislike the album.. ;) :rolleyes:
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Would have been easier to do that as a guest, I think :rolleyes:
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« Reply #44 on: 08 January 2007, 12:27:27 »

Widows Weeds was an album that blowed me away when i first heard it back in 98. I still rate it as one of the best albums ever released. Beyond the Veil is not as good as WW, but stil one of the best goth albums ever relased. I had great expectations before the release of World of Glass, but when i heard the album i was very disappointed. It is a weak album, and i have never liked it. After that i lost interest for tristania, until now when i recived the promo for Illumination. I had no expectations when i played it for the first time, and apart from a few ok tracks i did'nt like the album at all. But after a few more spins i startet to like more and more songs, and now i think its a very good album. I really like it. Of cource it cannot be compared to WW and BTW, but its still a good album. The only problem is a couple of songs that is only avarage and Open Ground which is weak. But Mercyside, Sanguine Sky, The Ravens and Deadlands are great songs, and the best tristania songs since Beyond The Weil. Destination Departure, Sacrilege and Lotus are also good songs.


Give this album time, and if you don't like it, give it a few more spinns.
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« Reply #45 on: 08 January 2007, 12:42:40 »

For me, the best Tristania album ever (and one of the best albums ever recorded) is BTV. I still think WoG is their weakest album, that is not saying it's a bad album. I like it but it's not quite as good as the others, although I must admit that's the only Tristania album I liked upon first listen. Every Tristania album gets better with each listen, unfortunately I can't say the same for WoG, except for a couple of songs.

I also agree that Open Ground is the weakest song on Illumination IMHO. :) The Ravens is definitely one of my favourite Tristania songs ever.  ;)



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« Reply #46 on: 11 January 2007, 23:41:27 »

It's too soon for me to tell anything definitive about Illumination, because I heard only from the promos on SPV.
For the little I heard, I can say I like it A LOT. I'm already going to cry LOL (it's something between me and Tristania... me starting to cry allover their songs LOL :P )

I am a fan of Trs since 98 and diehard follower. I love the fact that they do their best to sound different in every album.

We knew that... when Morten left, all was going to change... so come on... stop complaining about that!
If Illumination was sounding the same as BTV or WW you all complainers were whining about it as well.

WW and BTV are unique, so... why ruin them with similar following albums?

Anyway, I respect your opinions...!

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« Reply #47 on: 13 January 2007, 12:30:43 »

I really like this album. I think that it may disappoint only those, who want from band playing whole time the same. I like when band is changing, and this album proved that Tristania is very creative band. Keep up the great work :) And btw, hi everyone, this is my first post:)
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« Reply #48 on: 13 January 2007, 15:15:56 »

Well one month after listening to it for the first time, I still listen to it almost everyday going to and coming back from work, and I am still not bored of it :) It's really a great album, I love every song except Open Ground and Down, but songs like The Ravens or Fate clearly stand out for me. Do anyone knows which song is going to be the first single and if a video clip is planned ?
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« Reply #49 on: 13 January 2007, 19:01:54 »

I think that this album is good.  It's definitely a different sound to their other albums, but I think it's a solid effort!  :)  It also took me a few listens to get used to it, and I'm glad I gave it the chance.

Anyway, I am not sure where to ask this, but.. does anyone know about the song "Ab Initio"?  At the Canadian Amazon site, it has that listed in place of "In The Wake".. is that just a mistake?  I am thinking it is...  :unsure:
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« Reply #50 on: 17 January 2007, 06:48:16 »

Well, I heard my first full song from Illumination (Mercyside) on the radio last night, and I must say, I like ;D
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« Reply #51 on: 19 January 2007, 03:54:46 »

Open Ground and Destination Departure are my fav's.. so is Deadlands :)

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« Reply #52 on: 27 January 2007, 18:33:32 »

Am I the only one who hears A LOT of the OLD sound in some songs of Illumination...?
 ??? ??? ???

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« Reply #53 on: 27 January 2007, 18:39:14 »

what do you mean with the old sound?.. ;)

imho some parts would fit on Ashes, but it's again quite unique I'd say...
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« Reply #54 on: 27 January 2007, 21:12:05 »

Am I the only one who hears A LOT of the OLD sound in some songs of Illumination...?
 ??? ??? ???


no i can hear it too
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« Reply #55 on: 28 January 2007, 01:17:22 »

I didn't expect much from this effort. But still I was curious of what they would have done. I hoped there would be one song on it that would touch me, but no. No single song. And I even appreciated in a way Ashes and World Of Glass! Not as much as the Morten albums, but still.
Speaking about Morten I'm even more dissapointed about Nine Destinies And A Downfall, although it's still better than Illumination.

It's a pitty Illumination doesn't taste me like the previous albums. I'm sure Einar is a talented songwriter, but on this one, he isn't exactly showing what his capabilities are. Of the rest of the band's songwriting capabilities I'm heavily doubting. For example, Anders, I don't know in what level he is participating to the writing proces, but I know that if he is participating, he's doing a shitty job, that's for sure. Now, that wouldn't damage the quality of the music, 1. if he would be very skilled, wich he probably isn'tn 'cause everything he plays can be nailed down be somebody who plays guitar for like 1,5-2 years; 2. if Morten would be still in Tristania.

It isn't neccessairy to have songwriting capabilities if you're you're good at your instrument (and if you're if course in the compagnon of good song writers) in a band. It's sure as hell that Vibeke is one of the best and most beautiful singers in the metalscene and that Østen is (apart from one hell of a singer) a talented lyrics-writer. But I begin to have the impression that nothing is created their talent worthy. They should never have kicked out Morten. They, nor he, would have made such a crappy album.
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« Reply #56 on: 28 January 2007, 06:38:15 »

You might have noticed that there are people who love that album too.. ;)

And some of your arguments are .. ömm... very interesting.. ::)
btw I suppose you don't know anything what's going on in the band, so don't judge any bandmember that way, thanks, Anders puts the most efforts in the band, he's doing an amazing job.
Tristania is about experimenting, trying new things, they won't do anything twice, keep that in mind. And if you don't like any of their albums you can be pretty sure the next one will have a different sound, and probably you  might like that again, but never expect a BTV v2 ... ;)
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« Reply #57 on: 28 January 2007, 13:06:06 »

Tristania is about experimenting, trying new things, they won't do anything twice.
Exactly, and Morten is totaly the opposite of that. sorry but its true. I prefer refreshing music than listen again the same in every bloody album. ;)
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« Reply #58 on: 28 January 2007, 14:04:08 »

With "old sound" I mean that some sounds (I'm not talking about the whole album!) are similar with the sounds of BTV.
Some guitar riffs got the same sound (I'm not telling that it's the same riff on BTV)

Just some assonance (is that word in english?  ::) lol)

Now I go and find the parts I'm talking about.


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« Reply #59 on: 28 January 2007, 18:37:14 »

You might have noticed that there are people who love that album too.. ;)

And some of your arguments are .. ömm... very interesting.. ::)
btw I suppose you don't know anything what's going on in the band, so don't judge any bandmember that way, thanks, Anders puts the most efforts in the band, he's doing an amazing job.
Tristania is about experimenting, trying new things, they won't do anything twice, keep that in mind. And if you don't like any of their albums you can be pretty sure the next one will have a different sound, and probably you  might like that again, but never expect a BTV v2 ... ;)

Yeah, it's just a matter of opinion and taste, whether or not you like the album, I am aware of that. The thing I kind of 'attacked' Anders is not that I think it's a jerk or something like that. And it's not that I haven't got respect for the guy and for the efforts he puts into it. But the efforts he puts into it, and that's my opinion, just don't pay off. Tristania isn't mindblowing like it used to be. And he could be doing some more efforts for his guitar playing capabilities. But then, the virtuosos aren't really gothic metallers. I mean gothic metal doesn't need solo's like the other genres do. It's more accepted that there are almost no solo's in gothic metal, wich, in se, is OK.

Tristania is about experimenting, trying new things, they won't do anything twice.
Exactly, and Morten is totaly the opposite of that. sorry but its true. I prefer refreshing music than listen again the same in every bloody album. ;)

Now that's totally bullshit. People who don't know metal say that there isn't variation in metal. And that's because they never listen to metal. And it's not only like that with metal but it can be relevant for everything. There's a world of difference between staying faithfull at your genre and making the same music over and over again. If somebody has proved in the past that he's a genius (like Morten), and he brings out a new album, I'm going to listen to that album before saying it is good or bad. It's not that everything he touches automaticly changes into gold. I have to listen to it first.
To be honest, I think it's better to stay faithfull at your genre, doing what your good at, than experiment and suck totally. Tristania was good at making gothic metal. But if you ask me, they suck now. Don't get me wrong, Nine destinies and a downfull also sucks, but that's also because Morten has now, like Tristania unsuccessfully changed the direction of his band. You can experiment, but you don't have to be surprised if there are people who don't like it. Because experimenting takes risks. It takes guts to do it, I admit. But it's better to deliver an effort that rocks in your genre, than deliver a disasterpiece in a totally other genre just to prove yourself that you're polyvalent, even if it means that the quality will suffer from it. It's blasphemy for the fans.

Take Theatre Of Tragedy, their first albums were good, but after that they got exmperimenting with the album Musique. And that tottaly sucked. It was a neverseen anticlimax.
And on the other hand, take Amon Amarth and Motörhead. They keep doing what they're good at and each time they delivered a godly release.

Tristania and Sirenia should also do what they're good at. Making music, worth listening to.
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