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« Reply #20 on: 11 December 2006, 12:50:48 »

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First 'external' review:

http://www.beattheblizzard.com/?module=reviews&review=671

Edit: Another one, not so positive this time, but the line "They certainly didn’t surpass Lacuna Coil or Nightwish with Illumination." sais enough.

http://www.pivotalalliance.com/webzine/rev...t_from=&ucat=2&
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thanx! I agree with the first one. the other.....its obvious the guy who wrote it hadnt got any idea of what Tristania (even metal) is about. comparing NW or LC with them.....a joke!  :lol:
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« Reply #21 on: 11 December 2006, 15:15:29 »

amazon.de has a few lines on their webpage too:
"Aus der Amazon.de-Redaktion
Zum zehnjährigen Bandjubiläum beschenken Tristania sich selbst und ihre Fans mit einem hochwertigen, abwechslungsreichen Gothic-Metal-Kracher, der gekonnt fast alle nur denkbaren Kitsch-Klippen umschifft.
Natürlich: Pathos, Dramatik und ein paar Klischees gehören auch bei Tristania zum Tagesgeschäft. Im Gegensatz zu vielen Genre-Konkurrenten halten sich die tränenschwangeren Peinlichkeiten bei den Norwegern aber stark in Grenzen. Auf Illumination sind knackige Riffs jederzeit wichtiger als dünne Synthie-Teppiche, ausdrucksstarke Gesänge immer präsenter als selbstmitleidiges Goten-Gejaule. Insbesondere Frontfrau Vibeke Stene sorgt mit ihrer kräftigen, charismatischen Stimme einmal mehr dafür, dass sich Tristania deutlich vom Düster-Metal-Einheitsbrei abheben, aber auch ihre männlichen Kollegen schaffen es mit gekonnt aufgezogenen Spannungsbögen und variantenreichen Songaufbauten, das künstlerische Mittelfeld auf Distanz zu halten.

-- Michael Rensen
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which means in bad English:
For their 10th anniversary Tristania presents theirselves and their fans with a high quality, varied Gothic-Metal-Masterpiece, which circumnavigates all imaginable Kitsch-cliffs.
Of course: Pathos, dramatic and a few cliches belong to Tristania's day-to-day business too. In contrast to many genre-competitors these tear-pregnant embarassements occur quite rarely. On Illumination firm riffs are always more important than thin synthi-sounds, expressive voices everytime more present than self-pity Goths-Whiners.
Especially front-woman Vibeke Stene arranges with her charismatic voice once again that Tristania silhouettes against the gloomy-metal-soup, but her male colleagues manage it keep the artist middlefield distant with varied song structures.
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« Reply #22 on: 11 December 2006, 16:59:11 »

For some reason when I listen to the album on speakers it sounds really good. But when I have it on headphones it sounds awful.

 Oh well, i'm actually starting to enjoy the album when I blast it in my room. I'll probably buy it when it comes out.
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« Reply #23 on: 11 December 2006, 17:10:13 »

probably? tsss... you have to!.. ;)

the mix is strange.. that's true, can sound awesome and not that great.. but with some tuning it sounds always great..  :)
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« Reply #24 on: 12 December 2006, 02:08:04 »

i dont said tath illumination is a bad album

 inded sound diferent, but there is a lot of old tristania sounds that i dint listen in a couple of albums

yes i miss the grunts, but the atmosphere is good

so i think there is a balance on it :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: 12 December 2006, 02:35:32 »

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First 'external' review:

http://www.beattheblizzard.com/?module=reviews&review=671

Edit: Another one, not so positive this time, but the line "They certainly didn’t surpass Lacuna Coil or Nightwish with Illumination." sais enough.

http://www.pivotalalliance.com/webzine/rev...t_from=&ucat=2&
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I think Lacuna Coil sucks ;)
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« Reply #26 on: 13 December 2006, 07:47:59 »

A review thread?  Let's see how long this lasts.  I'll say I'm sorry in advance, as I'm not one of the apologists who will praise just anything delivered from whom they like.  You see, I love Tristania, they hold a position as my favorite band, and I choose to give it to them straight, especially when they blow it.

And they blew it with Illumination.  Widow's Weeds was perfection.  Beyond The Veil, as close as possible to a repeat of that perfection.  Then we lost Morten - would that bring the end?  No.  World of Glass is also one of my favorites, so it must have been a fluke.  Ashes began the decline in my opinion, but it's still pretty great.  Just less so.

I've heard the new album a few times, but when I like something it grabs me immediately, so I won't chalk this up to lack of experience with Illumination.  It shouldn't need to grow on me, if it's any good.  The good albums, the old albums, didn't need to.  My first listening of Evenfall brought me to tears, years ago, as I knew, "this is what I've been waiting for."  And many times it still does, years later.

Illumination has almost brought me to tears for a different reason.  Tristania is no more.  Hopefully this can be reversed, but I don't know the future, and this serving doesn't inspire much hope in me.

Gone is the melodic complexity of old, the clean musical intricacies and pure genius of creation.  Gone are the dynamic changes and fantastic, orgasmic, symphonic compositions.  Gone are the gothic chorals and the dark brooding and heavenly lights.  Gone are the beautiful contrasts that defined this band - the ethereal and the solid, the delicate and the fearsome, the harsh and the gentle, the dark and the light.  Gone is the soul.  (Einar, where are you?)  Gone are the extreme vocals that shone through the orchestral brilliance with so much pure raw strength and fury, that they forced you listen, respect and love it.  And gone is the countering force which balanced it.  Gone is the creativity.

We are instead left with anyone's mediocre rock guitar band.  A simple monotonous noisy grinding of distorted power chords, with the occasional heavy metal riff thrown in.  Throw a vocal line over top of it, and you've got a song.  Are any of us honestly here for that?  I'm not.  I saw this coming with Ashes, but I refused to lose hope.  Any one of us can conduct a simple comparison at any time with our music collections, and the change it is undeniable.  I dare say anyone who says it is a positive change is not a fan of the music, but instead of the idea of a name.

I would dare that person to compare Sanguine Sky, for example, to Midwintertears.  I'd dare you to compare Lotus to Lethean River.  How about Sacrilege to Wasteland's Caress?  Did I stack the deck?  Ask for unfair comparisons?  If it can't stand up to the legacy of the past, it has declined, by definition.

I hear many suggest they need to experiment or they will stagnate.  Apologist nonsense.  We didn't fall in love with them for their names.  We didn't fall in love with them for their pretty faces.  We didn't fall in love with them because they brought us a niche music no one else knew about.  We fell in love with them because of the style, the creativity, the magic which defined who they are through the music they created for us.  And that is not in this new album.

Don't get me wrong;  there are moments on this album.  But they are far too rare.

Am I being harsh?  Perhaps.  Give me a month or so, and it will probably start to grow on me - that is an almost inevitable truth.  We're all loyal.  But right now, my level of apologism is overshadowed by my anger at them for this, so I can speak a bit less clouded by that loyalty.  I'm sure my opinion will soften in time.  Then I can join the throngs of apologists.  Even as I hesitate to post this, wondering if I'm judging too quickly, I simply listen to it again, and the choice is clear.  Even if, over time, I do come to enjoy this album some, it will always be much below its predecessors.  It pains me greatly to slam my favorite band in a personal review.  But like I said, I will give it to them straight out of my love for them.  The harshness of my review is specifically because of my love for them.  Tristania, have you lost your way?  Do you not realize that you became what you became because of what you created?  

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On the semi-related other side of the coin, Morten beat their effort this time, soundly.   (Yes, I've heard that one too.)  To bad he made it all about the new singer, and all but removed himself from it, which is a shame and a mistake.  Maybe he'll learn a lesson, too.  I hope so.
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« Reply #27 on: 13 December 2006, 09:25:06 »



Can't add mucht to this statement. Agree to it. Tristania was better, far better, once.
But it's the bands choice to make their music this, new, way. We have to accept it or to not buy their CDs anymore if wie don't like the music.
The new CD is lacking a lot of what defined Tristania for me, on the other hand, the atmosphere is stil the same - even if I didn't knew it was Tristsania, when I heard Illumination for the first time, I would have recognized them.

For me, there could have been much more extreme vocals , much more heavyness ..  combined wit he the atmosphere of illumination it would have been great. I enjoy Opeth very much in the passt months - they show exactly the heavyness I like and Tristania sometimes had on former releases.

But I will buy Illumniation nervertheless... still, it's Tristania
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« Reply #28 on: 13 December 2006, 12:44:30 »

I can't really give it a full review from just hearing the samples......but I like what I hear and have never been disappointed with any of their releases :)

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« Reply #29 on: 14 December 2006, 03:34:09 »

Whenever a band decide to change sounds, they ALWAYS lose fans and gain new fans. As a fan of their older style, you either accept it or leave their fan circle. I totally understand. Not much I can add here.

My first Tristania album was BTV.  It took me months to get into it, but once I got into BTV, I thought (and still think) its the best album ever. To me, that was Tristania. A perfect blend of Aggression and Beauty. It has such a special place in my heart, nothing will ever top it. Every other Tristania albums I bought, took me a few listens to get used to and took me a while to like because I was so used to the BTV sounds. Now If I compared everything with BTV, I probably wouldn't be here by now. If it wasn't for the love of the band, I'd have hardly given the other albums a chance and grown to love them, esp. WW (yup, I used to think that album was so cliched and so boring, of course when I'm in the right mood it could be magical too.)

Illumination took a few listens too but I do love The Ravens, Down and Deadlands upon first listen. By the way, I honestly prefer Ashes over WOG .


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« Reply #30 on: 14 December 2006, 06:47:24 »

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You have to give it a chance!
I'm trying;  day two.  There are a few tracks which I enjoy somewhat (the same few everyone else seems to refer to - Deadlands pretty much outshines the whole rest of the album, in my opinion), but the rest is not my taste.  I don't think it ever will be - it's just not what I listen to Tristania for.

I understand that losing Kjetil must have set things back.  But why not delay release until a dedicated extreme vocal replacement could be found?  Pressure from the publisher?  And why not let Vibeke sing straight solo lines anymore?  She is almost always clouded in a multi-tracked harmony, and she's too low and lost in the often noisy mix.  She has a heavenly voice and should be showcased as such.  Where's our piano man?  De-emphasize the guitars (damnit Tristania is not just some silly distorted guitar band - and I say this as a guitarist!) and ease up on the drums, and let's have a lot more tone.  I want the infinitely large, up on a cliff with arms extended and wind carrying your heart away sound from the previous albums;  no more rock band songs.

Anyway, I'll shutup.  I'm not doing a second review.  Not yet at least.

I like Deadlands.   :mellow:
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« Reply #31 on: 14 December 2006, 07:03:13 »

Regarding the extreme Vocals, Anders will doing them on the upcoming albums, he just felt not good enough yet or so even he's doing a great job live
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« Reply #32 on: 14 December 2006, 10:51:18 »

Another one:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=137536#86417
"In conclusion then I would say this is essential for any dedicated fans of Tristania or fans of Goth-tinged rock. But if you're looking for a good Symphonic Metal album then it's time to peruse Dark Moor's back catalogue."
Yeah, Tristania's nothing for narrow-minded people.. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: 14 December 2006, 12:47:24 »

Personnally, I just love Illumination, I have been listening to it in loop since I got it two days ago and I am not bored of it yet (a good sign for me  :)  ).

I can never understand why people always try to compare albums each time a new one comes out. I mean, when I listen to a new CD, I don't ask myself if it is better or worst than the ones before, I just listen to it as it if was the first album of a new band, and I feel whether I like it. For me music is a question of feelings and I don't get too analytical on why I like a CD or not :) .
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« Reply #34 on: 16 December 2006, 01:06:11 »

I've loved "Illumination" since the first time I listened to it. I'm so glad there are not so many grunts as before I really disliked that. <_< The only thing that I find a bit disappointing is the fact that Osten's voice is hidden under some sort of electronic sound. Otherwise Illumination is a wonderful album! :D I love The Ravens, Deadlands and Mercyside and in fact all the rest of the songs. Since I downloaded it there hasn't been a day that I didn't listen to it. It's weird though since I'm not a huge Tristania fan but this album is transforming me into one! I just wanted to say thankyou to Tristania for this wonderful album! :lol:
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« Reply #35 on: 17 December 2006, 16:39:02 »

I have been searching for words to best describe Illumination and I keep coming up with these two......KICK ASS!!!!!! I love it :)  It has the 'darkness' of Ashes but is different. The extreme vocals are scarce, which gives Vibeke and Osten more time to shine......and that is what they do throughout the album. Another great piece of work :)
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« Reply #36 on: 17 December 2006, 18:49:53 »

^I agree ;)
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« Reply #37 on: 17 December 2006, 19:29:35 »

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Another one:
http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=137536#86417
"In conclusion then I would say this is essential for any dedicated fans of Tristania or fans of Goth-tinged rock. But if you're looking for a good Symphonic Metal album then it's time to peruse Dark Moor's back catalogue."
Yeah, Tristania's nothing for narrow-minded people.. ;)
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Seems that the guy who wrote this never really listened to Tristania before :)))
-> "The second track "Sanguine Sky" is old Tristania at their best with the guitar and bass getting a bit of leg-room "
I think he confuses Tristania with Lacuna Coil :)))
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« Reply #38 on: 20 December 2006, 18:01:32 »

http://www.metalact.com/recenzii/190_en
4/10 at least the reviewer admits that he never liked Tristania... really worse one again

http://www.piercingmetal.com/cd_tristania_illumination.htm
4,5/5 "Truly the dark never looked as bright before now."
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« Reply #39 on: 21 December 2006, 11:47:59 »

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http://www.metalact.com/recenzii/190_en
4/10 at least the reviewer admits that he never liked Tristania... really worse one again

http://www.piercingmetal.com/cd_tristania_illumination.htm
4,5/5 "Truly the dark never looked as bright before now."
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The first review just sucks ass. I wonder why he even bothered.  <_<


It seems like Illumination is getting the "you either love it or hate it" kinda reviews from both reviewers and Tristania fans.  :rolleyes:







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