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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #21 on: 17 August 2010, 11:24:04 »


negative:

http://www.themetalregister.com/2010/08/16/tristania-rubicon/



That "review" is laughable. Someone throw a pie on Patrick ODonnell.

"It’s not that the music on “Rubicon” is bad, it’s just dead. There’s no fire, no pickup, and no intensity to be witnessed here. The riffs and choruses are tired and slow-paced, the female vocals are clichéd,"

It's exactly the opposite! Even though I havent heard the album, the songs I HAVE heard, along with samples from all the songs, are energetic, intense, beautiful, interesting and refreshing! Talk about clichéd female vocals, that's what the former female vocalist was all about: clichéd vocal lines! And if you want slow-paced; listen to Ashes and Illumination, plenty of slow-paced songs there (not very good albums IMO).
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #22 on: 17 August 2010, 13:06:25 »

“Sirens” is about as inspiring as Ben Stein reading a phonebook

That one made me burst out in laughter :D
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #23 on: 19 August 2010, 19:32:14 »

as we use to say here in italy... who doesn't die, comes back  ;)

i just read the review on The Metal Register and felt the need to reply. i know, it's stupid but i just had to do that.
and then i thought, well, why not going back to the forum?!? since i'm writing everywhere how much i already love this new album, it's somehow right that i attest this love here, too!

so, on the same page of the review you can read my comment http://www.themetalregister.com/2010/08/16/tristania-rubicon/
of course i expect critics also on my opinion, and also from you guys. let me know!
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #24 on: 19 August 2010, 22:26:56 »

as we use to say here in italy... who doesn't die, comes back  ;)

i just read the review on The Metal Register and felt the need to reply. i know, it's stupid but i just had to do that.
and then i thought, well, why not going back to the forum?!? since i'm writing everywhere how much i already love this new album, it's somehow right that i attest this love here, too!

so, on the same page of the review you can read my comment http://www.themetalregister.com/2010/08/16/tristania-rubicon/
of course i expect critics also on my opinion, and also from you guys. let me know!
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #25 on: 23 August 2010, 04:58:06 »

the man replied me and, i must say, now i respect his opinion although being totally different and still disagreeing.
at least it's much more clear now.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #26 on: 23 August 2010, 13:41:14 »

at least it's much more clear now.
Indeed
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #27 on: 23 August 2010, 19:10:12 »

Some dutch reviews:

http://www.maxazine.nl/cd-recensies/1421-tristania-rubicon (8/10)
In short: Good contrast of harder and softer songs, the dual vocals give it a medieval feeling (???), but still sounds as Tristania, even after twelve years.

http://www.ragherrie.com/2010/08/tristania-rubicon/ (7/10)
In short: Reviewer starts off that he doesn't like gothic metal, but that the album does hit a spot. Praises the harder songs (Protection as example) and dislikes the ballads (Sirens).

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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #28 on: 24 August 2010, 20:11:37 »

Here are some German ones:
http://www.stormbringer.at/reviews.php?id=5395 (4,5/5)
"beautiful voice parts, great instrumentation, dark enought even for old fans, still sounds like Tristania, discoveres every time listening new elements"

http://www.whiskey-soda.de/review.php?id=27125 (1-)
"one of the best gothic metal albums of the last years"

http://www.metallized.de/forum/showthread.php?t=16299 (9/10)
"unusual singing and melodies, end not as good as the beginning, one of the few gems of gothic metal of the last years"

http://www.metal-aschaffenburg.de/?p=4528 (9/15)
"leap in quality, exact the gothic-rock-all-around-service a fan of the genre wishes"
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #29 on: 25 August 2010, 13:52:24 »

ultra-long positive review in italian, even though until "Wounds Need Time to Heal" it's just a resume of tristania's history: http://spaziorock.it/recensione.php?&id=1286
"a multi-façaded but solid album, intriguing and genuine. the best moments give birth to songs that won't fail to impress.

i'm not sure if there's an english version of the website. the interview to marinagela quoted in the review has been posted in english on the web but i can't find it...

off-topic post scriptum: for me it's unbelievable that almost no italian knows what "crossing the rubicon means". i'm speechless. ok for non-italian people but hell! "crossing the rubicon" and "alea iacta est" (=the die has been cast) are two ultra-famous expressions of our history... mah, i repeat, i'm speechless. :-X

edit: ok, the interview i was referring to simply had a "english version"-button on top of the page. page of the review hasn't. :-\
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #30 on: 25 August 2010, 13:54:27 »

Here's one, from popdose  ???

"Tristania, Rubicon (Napalm)
More goth metal here from Napalm records here but this time it’s with mostly female vocals and while more operatic than Shadowgarden, also kind of rocks even harder.

The last Tristania album was released In 2007 and amazingly five of the seven members of the group don’t appear on this album. Most bands would have broken up if they had to replace five members including all three vocalists, but Tristania continues on and have possibly put out the best album of their career.

I certainly didn’t think Rubicon would be a big winner in my book thanks to my “general rule” that female singers have never really done much for me, but new singer Mariangela Demurtas has a wonderfully beautiful voice that works incredibly well with their epic goth sound. On tracks like “Patriot Games” all three vocalists sing (female, clean male, harsh male) which really makes for a unique sound.

The thing to note though is that while being dark and orchestral, the guitar riffs are pretty powerful (there’s a riff in “The Passing” that’s just killer) therefore making the contrast between the light and the heavy very noticeable and quite cool. Tristania and Shadowgarden are a breath of fresh air to me as I listen to albums that crush my head in a vice. It’s nice to take it down a notch now and again. And if you choose to do that, start here.

Read more: CD Reviews: Christian Mistress, Blind Guardian, Apocalyptica, Man’s Gin, Shadowgarden, Tristania, and City of Fire | Popdose http://popdose.com/cd-reviews-blind-guardian-apocalyptica-shadowgarden-tristania-and-city-of-fire/#ixzz0xcqnKQea
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http://popdose.com/cd-reviews-blind-guardian-apocalyptica-shadowgarden-tristania-and-city-of-fire/

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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #31 on: 25 August 2010, 15:34:38 »

I certainly didn’t think Rubicon would be a big winner in my book thanks to my “general rule” that female singers have never really done much for me, but new singer Mariangela Demurtas has a wonderfully beautiful voice that works incredibly well with their epic goth sound. On tracks like “Patriot Games” all three vocalists sing (female, clean male, harsh male) which really makes for a unique sound.

Poor Ole, they keep leaving him out!  :D

As far as I'm aware they have 4 (maybe 5) vocalists on that part.

Mariangela, Kjetil & Ole Clean singing and Anders growling.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #32 on: 25 August 2010, 16:02:48 »

Damn! They should do a ''guide'' on the vocal parts on this album.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #33 on: 25 August 2010, 21:27:16 »

I certainly didn’t think Rubicon would be a big winner in my book thanks to my “general rule” that female singers have never really done much for me, but new singer Mariangela Demurtas has a wonderfully beautiful voice that works incredibly well with their epic goth sound. On tracks like “Patriot Games” all three vocalists sing (female, clean male, harsh male) which really makes for a unique sound.

Poor Ole, they keep leaving him out!  :D

As far as I'm aware they have 4 (maybe 5) vocalists on that part.

i remember ole saying he would have done only backing vocals. anyway i must admit i find it difficult to understand when and where he's singing, since there are kjetil, like you said, and, let's not forget him, østen, who's doing additional vocals (and you can clearly hear him).

plus, my booklet states that a certain Sigmund Olgart Vegge is doing more additional vocals on Vulture.

i remember ole saying he would have done only backing vocals

Mariangela, Kjetil & Ole Clean singing and Anders growling.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #34 on: 25 August 2010, 21:40:34 »

I edited your post to put your reply below the quote instead of in it.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (and that request extends to the bandmembers ;)), but if you listen to the mixed vocals you'll hear a male voice in the upper reach, below Mariangela's and usually following her lead. I'm fairly sure that's Ole, since Kjetil and Østen are what seems to me as the lower end of the "chorus". I think you hear Ole quite good in the chorus of "Patriot Games" (And as my target's gone away / Another's lurking in the shades) and in the mix with the duplicate Mary's on "The Emerald Piper".

If that's not Ole (or someone else) than Kjetil seems to have another voice in the high range than his mid/lower range.


Sigmund Olgart Vegge does the manic screaming towards the end of Vultures.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #35 on: 26 August 2010, 08:12:22 »

I edited your post to put your reply below the quote instead of in it.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (and that request extends to the bandmembers ;)), but if you listen to the mixed vocals you'll hear a male voice in the upper reach, below Mariangela's and usually following her lead. I'm fairly sure that's Ole, since Kjetil and Østen are what seems to me as the lower end of the "chorus". I think you hear Ole quite good in the chorus of "Patriot Games" (And as my target's gone away / Another's lurking in the shades) and in the mix with the duplicate Mary's on "The Emerald Piper".

If that's not Ole (or someone else) than Kjetil seems to have another voice in the high range than his mid/lower range.


Sigmund Olgart Vegge does the manic screaming towards the end of Vultures.

I thought, thaht he did this electronic part: At the end of the day/We will end it our way. :P


And - who sings first male part in Amnesia? It not sounds like Kjetil to me. I bet Ole. :P
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #36 on: 26 August 2010, 10:24:36 »

A french review here : http://www.auxportesdumetal.com/reviews/Tristania/tristania-rubicon.html  (16/20)

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And now, the new album from one of the greats of gothic metal "to singer." Rubicon is the sixth album of Tristania who returned for the occasion with Napalm Recors and since the release of Enlightenment has been very Departures: Vibeke Stene the charismatic first, then later a guitarist, bassist and drummer and comes a new singer in 2010 Kjetil Nordhus. You will understand, the beginnings of Tristania, it only remains that Anders and Einar Moen Høyvik Hidle.  Major changes that will be felt in this new opus of the Norwegians! This means there that the band has lost its interest?

No, of course not. If the cover with Mariangela Demurtas is a rather questionable taste and with no real interest, the music of Rubicon is much more exciting !  You enter immediately into the subject with Year Of Rat which circles the web in its live version.  A catchy song, the side metal tinged touches "symphonic" is still there, but the group has added a hand warmer, heavier in his music.  The reason? . Surely enable Mariangela to feel at home and successfully carry out his vocal lines.  And it works!  Obviously, the cold side of Tristania who liked so much, both in music as in the lyrical voice of Vibeke has faded, the voice of the Italian is more pop and warmer. However, this side gothic is still preserved, including through grunts and one side almost doom on In Passing (slow and heavy song musically).  Moreover, the young woman, with a fairly wide at its edge, we offer unhealthy at times almost like Sirens, gentleness and emotion Amnesia, or a catchy song of Patriot Games. And this contributes to the richness of this new album!

But as everyone knows, there is not only a female voice in Tristania, there is also a clear male voice and grunts.  These are less present than before, focusing on two other songs, but when they used it wisely! And this trio offers impeccable voice quality and fair!

But where the rub is that even if the songs are rich, musically, Tristania offers a very basic music. Sure, they have collaborated with violinist Pete Johansen running fine lines on violin as In Passing, of course, songs are varied while logic between them. But we remain in something quite conventional in the mixture of different elements used in Rubicon,  as if the group is restricted a bit, perhaps not wanting to give more reasons than there are already at their fans to be destabilized! A striking lack of originality then.

However, after listening to Rubicon, we can only be seduced by this record.  It is certain that lovers of Vibeke Stene will be a little unhappy, but with an open mind that all fans of Nightwish did not (the case is quite similar, although the music does not), they could be falling under the spell of this album of Tristania. And the band proved today that he is not dead and still has a bright future ahead of him, especially if the lack of originality in this sixth album is erased in the coming years!
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #37 on: 28 August 2010, 03:47:30 »

This is just the beginnig of a new phase.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #38 on: 28 August 2010, 04:05:01 »

This is just the beginnig of a new phase.
Another great phase, in my opinion :D
By the way, welcome to the forums Louise! :D
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« Reply #39 on: 28 August 2010, 16:45:23 »

very positive review on metal-archives: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=275563#176744

p.s.:i'm still thinking of that Ole-matter...! ;D
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