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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #60 on: 20 October 2010, 22:46:05 »

About the negative reviews, I've seen some common things on most of them : it's hard to find a review with strong arguments, they often talk all along about Morten, though he left nearly 10 years ago and Tristania had released 3 others albums before Rubicon. For some reviewers it's  like a game to bash everything they did after his leaving.
I see the word commercial used in it but I don't think changing the style of the singer with the risk to lose a part of the fanbase is something more commercial than keeping a singer in the same style as Vibeke and playing the same style with the same sound.
I agree some people can dislike the voice of Mariangela, but they still talking of Vibeke as the soul of the band and as far as I know she never was a songwriter, sometimes I wonder if they really listened the album.

There's one thing for sure in positive reviews : they listened the album. Positive reviews surely don't mean you'll like it because after all it's just a matter of personal tastes.
I don't know for the other people here but that's my opinion.

And from someone who have seen the band with Vibeke than with Mariangela, I really enjoyed more the current line-up on stage.
Welcome here anyway  ;)

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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #61 on: 20 October 2010, 23:23:57 »

Thanks for the welcoming :) I agree about the whining about Mortem, I think they proved themseleves with world of glass and illumination (I didn't liked ashes as much although it was still really good anyway) About the commercial thing to tell you the truth I've never understand exactly what people tries to say with that word, but I don't think it has anything to do with changing the style of the vocalist, I think that they are trying to say that the album is much simpler than what they used to do, I think they are complaining about  the complexity and the lenght of the songs which are now much more "easy to listen" than before. And About Mary's voice I think she's great but it's got nothing unique it lacks somehting that makes it stand out from the rest, and you have to admit that filling in Vibekes shoes is not easy. Vibeke might not have been a songwriter but she had an amazing voice. As you said it is all a matter of personal taste, but I find hard to beilieve  that the people who used to love Tristania will like the new album as much as the older ones considering the radically different direction they have taken with it. As for me  I like it, but I miss the old stuff.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #62 on: 21 October 2010, 09:37:36 »

I don't think it comes from the structure of the songs, look at a band like Dream Theater they have complex and long songs but they are also called as commercial. I think people tend to call commercial when they don't like bands.
Personnaly I don't care if the song is 4 minutes long or 20 minutes when it's a good song.

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and you have to admit that filling in Vibekes shoes is not easy
Mariangela doesn't have to fill in Vibeke shoes, she's singing in her own way, we don't need a copy of Vibeke.

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I find hard to beilieve  that the people who used to love Tristania will like the new album as much as the older ones
I'm an old fan of Tristania ( since Beyond The Veil ) and I like the "new" Tristania and I'm sure I'm not the only one  ;)
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #63 on: 21 October 2010, 12:14:46 »

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I find hard to beilieve  that the people who used to love Tristania will like the new album as much as the older ones
I'm an old fan of Tristania ( since Beyond The Veil ) and I like the "new" Tristania and I'm sure I'm not the only one  ;)

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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #64 on: 21 October 2010, 16:52:08 »

I love both Rubicon and Beyond the Veil equally. Sure, the sound and except for two members the line-up changed, but I accepted (and actively support) it: it's not my band, it's the band of the musicians in Tristania.

Edit: I've read in another thread you've only listened to it once. I suggest to give it another couple of spins and maybe it'll grow on you.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #65 on: 30 October 2010, 20:10:46 »

I've had some more time and have listened Rubicon a lot more now, and guys I'm sorry but this is not what I was expecting from Tristania, I mean I have to tell you that it's good, but Mary's voice just doesn't fit in Tristania she's great and all but at least for me Tristania is no more, they should have change the name of the band and I'm sure they wouldn't have been receiving so many complains all over the web like mine or worse because the album is good but is just too far away from what most of us were expecting from them. I wouldn't care so much and bother all the remaing and new fans they might have writing this down if I didn't used to like Tristania's music so much but Tristania was my favorite band! Anyway I really like Year of the Rat, Protection, Patriot Games and Amnesia, Magical fix is ok, the rest of the album is average, but I really miss their old style :( I hope they take all the whining in consideration (not just mine but from a lot of people too)  for their next album and try aproach their old sound more. And I have to admit that I'm a Vibeke fan and I really think she was a great loss for their sound.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #66 on: 31 October 2010, 01:12:45 »

they should have change the name of the band and I'm sure they wouldn't have been receiving so many complains all over the web like mine or worse because the album is good but is just too far away from what most of us were expecting from them
You should change your name because I don't like you.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #67 on: 31 October 2010, 01:38:19 »

I hope they take all the whining in consideration (not just mine but from a lot of people too)  for their next album and try aproach their old sound more.

If they did that I would loose ALL respect for Tristania! Artists are artists when they do their own thing. Rubicon is not a commercial album (i.e not radio-friendly), so they are not changing for money.
And if you think I'm a hardcore fan that follows my favourite band no matter what; I don't like Rubicon nearly as much as Beyond the Veil, so there you have it.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #68 on: 31 October 2010, 13:23:58 »

Artists should make music primary for themselves, if they make it for the fans, they're sell-outs in my opinion.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #69 on: 08 November 2010, 01:30:05 »

[You should change your name because I don't like you.
That is obviously not my point, I don't even care about the band members and the new line up , it's ok to replace band memebers who decide to leave, I understand "evolution" in the sound of a band but this new sound is not an "evolution" this is just different, this is something else, if they were tired of the old sound or just wanted to make something completely different and new then why would they keep the old name? They should have formed a new band, this is not Tristania anymore (As I said before I'm not talking about the band members I'm talking about the sound). They are supposed to be Tristania but they can't even play their "own" old song anymore, or they have to change them radically in order for them to sound ok. The only logical reason to not change the name of this new band would be to take advantage of the reputation the old band had and gain as many old fans as they could while trying to aim for a different audience and get many new fans, and that's not cool for some of us who were expecting something of them but got another different sound instead and as far as I can see most of the people who used to love Tristania are not liking this new sound as much as the old one. It might not be my band but I'm the one buying their stuff, so I do have at least a small say about this, and If they had change the name before releasing this album then all of us who were expecting a Tristania album would not be complaining right now and maybe some of us would be enjoying and becoming fans of a new band. And to ones who are asking not to compare Mariangela to Vibeke how can you not compare them when the Mariangela is replacing the female vocals in "Tristania"? They might have different styles and stuff but there is no way people are not going to make comparisons, I mean if Vibeke had not left Mariangela would have never been a part of Tristania, it would be stupid not to compare them.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #70 on: 08 November 2010, 03:18:02 »

Oh, yes, that makes SO MUCH MORE sense. It's like, if you wanted to change your career, and study something different, you should also change your name, so the people that's expecting, let's say, a dentist from you doesn't get disappointed when they find a lawyer. Yep, so much more sense.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #71 on: 08 November 2010, 07:51:18 »

Oh, yes, that makes SO MUCH MORE sense. It's like, if you wanted to change your career, and study something different, you should also change your name, so the people that's expecting, let's say, a dentist from you doesn't get disappointed when they find a lawyer. Yep, so much more sense.
I'm pretty sure you wouldn't appreciate it if you go to check your teeth with a guy who calls himself a dentist when in reality is a lawyer, they don't have to change their names they have to change the name of what they are doing. Anyway this is probably off topic, and I think I have made myself clear about the new album so I'm just going stop arguing about it. 
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #72 on: 08 November 2010, 13:00:15 »

I get what you're saying, but you have understand that this is something bands do all the time. And I don't think the change is significant enough for that; the difference between World of Glass and Ashes is waaay bigger than between Illumination and Rubicon. Had they suddenly mutated into some sort of europop (*cough* ToT), then changing the name would make more sense.

And I still can't believe you said that Tristania should listen to their fan's whining. Do you realliy believe that?
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #73 on: 08 November 2010, 13:09:07 »

Only replying to one thing here, since I don't have the time to refute other claims (even though it are just opinions).

It might not be my band but I'm the one buying their stuff, so I do have at least a small say about this

You don't:
  • You're obtaining a license to listen to the album (check the rights which are written on every CD, not only Tristania). To make it more confusing: the CD itself (the plastic disc) is yours, but the recordings on it are licensed property.
  • You haven't invested thirteen or fourteen years of your life in a band (like Anders and Einar).
  • Two-third of the founders (Einar and Kenneth) have been in the band untill recently.
  • Hell, I invest in the band on a monthly basis by spending both time and money (for the hosting and traffic) for seven years now and I don't have a say in the band either, unless they decide to do something with my opinion/suggestions.
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Re: "Rubicon" reviews
« Reply #74 on: 10 December 2010, 07:32:34 »

Only replying to one thing here, since I don't have the time to refute other claims (even though it are just opinions).

You don't:
  • You're obtaining a license to listen to the album (check the rights which are written on every CD, not only Tristania). To make it more confusing: the CD itself (the plastic disc) is yours, but the recordings on it are licensed property.
  • You haven't invested thirteen or fourteen years of your life in a band (like Anders and Einar).
  • Two-third of the founders (Einar and Kenneth) have been in the band untill recently.
  • Hell, I invest in the band on a monthly basis by spending both time and money (for the hosting and traffic) for seven years now and I don't have a say in the band either, unless they decide to do something with my opinion/suggestions.
Yeah you're probably right, but it still feels like I was stolen when I bought somehting just beacues it has the name Tristania on it, and got somehting completely unxpected, as if it was from a completely different band. And just to make it clear is not the money what bugs me it's not like I'm going to drop out of collague because it's too expensive or anything it's just the feeling that bothers me. I understand they wanted to change but it's confusing for the fans you know, now when someone asks me about my favorite band I have to say the "old Tristania" as if it a completely different band from the "new Tristania". And about Mary at first I supported that fact that they were looking for someone completely different from Vibeke becuase I though that if they looked for someone similar to her they would never find someone just as good at what she does. But I didn't realise that this was going to change the sound so much. Anyway Rubicon is a good album on it's own, but I miss the old days and as you said this is just my opinion.
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