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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #20 on: 01 September 2010, 09:16:38 »

Well, my opinion so far... Mary does some sick backing vocals in Illumination, "Master tell us what to do, master, master, master"  8) :o

Now a bit longer review. I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive since the record shop had problems with deliveries so I checked out Youtube. I know youtube messes the sound a little and so does Myspace but I'm still afraid the production (or what ever... mastering?) sucks and the producer deserves clap round the ears.  ;) Sometimes it sounds like a mobilephone ringtone, it's so messy porridge. Where are the drums? The guitar? Even the vocals?! They just drown somewhere. Especially the choruses lack power in some songs. The energy is there but it's like the power is on sick leave.

Another thing is Kjetil. I'm not sure about him. He sure has a nice color especially in his lower register but the higher notes sound really weak. It may, ofcourse, be the producer again. I really like Vulture but the chorus is so powerless that it ruins the mood a little. (I assume it is Kjetil singing? :D )

There are moments Mary should not have sung 'cause it made even more mess.

Then the roses. The songs itself are good, very different but still very Tristania. Me likes. 

 Although I liked Mary's voice from the start I still was a bit reserved but actually she is the highlight of this album, very versatile. Strong, tender, beautiful, insane... I love her playing with her voice, like in Exile, Sirens, Illumination (see above). 

I'm sad that I don't have the opportunity to see Tristania live, I'm positive the songs will rock live.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #21 on: 05 September 2010, 15:21:57 »

i was worried they'll take a direction i won't like,  but this album is really awesome. mary sounds great, kjetil is great too (he sounds a lot like osten when doing the low parts) and then there's pete whose violin i love to death. it's more powerful then the previous albums and i think that's because of mary, vibeke was perfect for serene, ethereal, other-worldly sounds, mary exhales power and energy both through singing and presence. it's a good trade, i think. my favorite songs so far are "sirens", "patriot games" and "illumination" (now why do they have a song titled just like their previous album?  ??? ), but the others are solid songs too. i need to listen to it more for it to grow on me like the previous tristania albums, but all in all, i'm not disappointed at all. they went through a lot of changes, but you can still tell it's tristania, they still have that vibe of theirs. and that's good :)
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #22 on: 05 September 2010, 16:50:05 »

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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #23 on: 05 September 2010, 22:30:49 »

Pain, tears, hope, fear, and the smell of "money"
Ok, our friend is back! It won the prize of "first spammer of the new forum"! I personally think it deserved it ::)
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #24 on: 06 September 2010, 19:52:48 »

Well I think I adequately digested the album to give a more solid opinion. The album has grown on me. I still think the songs sound same-ey, but I like the majority of them, so no problems. I was not expecting Illumination to be the boring track that I usually skip over; same with Protection. YotR, Exile, Sirens and Magical Fix are still favorites.

And I really do like it when Kjetil sings in that low voice.
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« Reply #25 on: 07 September 2010, 02:38:00 »

I┤m sorry, but for me Tristania is dead in the moment Vibeke Stene(I don't blame her) left the band, I listened to Rubicon, and I have to say that I'm dissapointed, they are not as they used to be,I can't feel the goth escence anymore I'm sorry, but that's what I think, RIP TRISTANIA
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Re: Tristania is dead to me
« Reply #26 on: 07 September 2010, 03:40:08 »

I┤m sorry, but for me Tristania is dead in the moment Vibeke Stene(I don't blame her) left the band, I listened to Rubicon, and I have to say that I'm dissapointed, they are not as they used to be,I can't feel the goth escence anymore I'm sorry, but that's what I think, RIP TRISTANIA
"RIP"? Haha, another conservative and whiny gothier-than-thou kid. You and Mr. Jack will get along very well ::)
You'll eventually grow up and get out of that, and realize that music is ever-growing and ever-changing, and that it doesn't end in your "wannabe-goth" ("wannabe" because "true" goth music [post-punk, gothic rock, deathrock, darkwave, and, arguably, industrial] has nothing to do with metal) attitude, and people will start taking you seriously. Good luck until then! :)
Oh, and welcome to the forums! :)
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #27 on: 07 September 2010, 11:15:17 »

Well, good luck on defining true gothic music  ;D Some people would still throw in My Dying Bride with Nightwish.

What annoys me, is that people keep bringing this topic up where it doesen't belong - I had an exchange with Mr. Jack about it on another thread.
This is a topic dedicated to talk about our reaction to the new album, not mope about past members/sound.

It's like ''Hey! What do you think about the new album?''
''Nah, they died after Vibeke left...''
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #28 on: 08 September 2010, 23:36:31 »

mmm...
WTF?
it's so stupid to name me here like a guy that doesn't know what's this topic's for
i gave my opinion, i said that i really liked Year Of The Rat, i don't think that's bad, you are really wrong
also, is this topic exclusive for those who like Tristania? isn't it for giving your honest opnion?
why don't you learn from Darth-Angina and Pellevin? they have different opinions but not because of that they called with a idiot name each other
@Funeralord: you are so stupid, but i'm more 'cause i'm losing my time arguing with you. Why to call me whiny and a
"gothier than thou kid"? that's so ***
if you don't get along with me, that doesn't mean that you have to name me every time that you argue with a person and in every topic
you are always trying to call me "idiot" or "stupid", and i think Tjeerd has advise us already
so plz, Fernando, can you leave my name alone? can you argue without naming me?
or it's very important to use my name for supporting what you are saying?
don't you have arguements for defending you?
it's really annoying when you name me, really
i hope you are a person who thinks,  ;)
and the person who created "gothier than thou" was really wrong 'cause if we suppose that "gothy" exists, it's good, but it would be "Gothier Than Thee", not thou ;)
thanx for comprehending
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #29 on: 09 September 2010, 00:30:41 »

I didn't mention you as an example of people who don't understand. I just remembered that we had a discussion about this in a similar thread. I don't have anything against you, I think we get along just fine :) I didn't use you as an example, I just referred to a similar discussion. Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way.

But you have to agree that many people are quick to jump on the ''Vibeke left''-part whenever something that happened after she left is discussed. If I say ''I like Rubicon, how about you?'', then many, MANY people say things like ''I miss Vibeke''. That's perfectly fine, but it IS annoying when it moves the discussion away from the topic.

I think the ''Gothier than thou'' is probably a parody of the Internet phrase ''smarter than thou''. It's to make fun of English-speakers that can't differentiate between thou and thee (they use you in both cases).
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #30 on: 09 September 2010, 00:34:38 »

ok Reumeren
i don't have any problem with you (thee) either
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #31 on: 09 September 2010, 06:36:27 »

From wikipedia: Following a process found in other Indo-European languages, thou was later used to express intimacy, familiarity, or even disrespect, while another pronoun, you, the oblique/objective form of ye, was used for formal circumstances.

I was making fun of the "superiority" some scene-kids like to display and wrote that forumname as what could be a thought of one of them. Nobody uses "thou" anyway, except actors in Shakespearian plays or Morten in his older lyrics.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #32 on: 09 September 2010, 14:39:09 »

and CoF in "Dusk... And Her Embrace" :P
i don't trust much in wikipedia anyway
this is so off-topic!!
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #33 on: 10 September 2010, 00:37:18 »

I have mixed feelings for sure, this is definitely "not" Tristania from way back. But at the same time that is fine, and I really enjoy this new album. I do wish there would be one or two songs with more dark growling and songs that reminded me of the past. But overall I am pleased. Mind you I have only listened to it today, so I've just tasted the surface.

The new female singer really holds her own. Just an answer to the always ongoing Vibeke discussion.
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Rubicon: 5 Stars
« Reply #34 on: 13 September 2010, 12:40:00 »

Firstly i just wanna say i think Rubicon is an awesome album an as much as i love 'Vibeke' just like every one else, i think Mariangela has stepped up to the plate an done a brilliant job, very powerful voice she has and beautiful too :) many people say that this album is nothing like there early albums, which is very true, but neither was illumination; Tristania wouldn't be tristania if all there albums were like widows weeds, beyond the veil etc...one album after the other something has always changed in Tristania and although there have been some drastic changes here, being the Diverse band that they are, Rubicon has not failed to disappoint; 5 stars. i dont see the point in comparing a bands albums against one another, i just take Rubicon for what it is... an thats a bloody great album. Tristania forever
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #35 on: 27 September 2010, 11:52:19 »

It exceeded my expectations by a mile and I am soooo excited to be able to say that!!

Honestly in some songs I had a little trouble differentiating between ěsten & Kjetil's vocals which suits me just fine! ěsten + Kjetil = double the pleasure  ;)

Living in Australia and being deprived of cool bands coming to visit I haven't had the chance to hear Mariangela with Tristania properly until now and I must say I am very impressed, sometimes her voice annoys me on Rubicon but then an awesome riff comes along or one of the guys blows me away.

How amazing is Pete? A seriously brilliant addition to the album! It was one of many reminders that this is still Tristania!!

No other band can bring out the passion I have for music more than Tristania and they have done it again with Rubicon.

My favourites are:
Exile
Illumination
Vulture

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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #36 on: 01 October 2010, 05:05:50 »

I've only heard two songs on the album: Year of the Rat and Protection.

I'm not a fan of the keyboard intro for Year of the Rat. I think Tristania's music has a better structure when its intro focuses on one or two guitar ryths, as is the case in Equilibrium, The Ravens, Angina, etc. Nothing sounds better than a good guitar ryth. Then again, that's just my opinion.

I think the keyboard tunes in Angina were just right. They worked because they were in the background.

I didn't mind the guitar ryths in Protection. Some of them were great. I think the loss of Vibeke's opera-esque vocals hurt this song's balance. Her voice really worked well with the growling vocals. I think the Italian singer who has replaced her is good, but she needs to follow more in Vibeke's footsteps. Vibeke's voice was one of the main strengthes for Tristania in the past.

My all-time favourite song is Equilibrium. I loved Vibeke's vocals because they were soothing and her pronounciation was easy to understand. The bloke (that a friendly term for "man" in Australia), who sang alongside Vibeke in Equlibrium produced a similar effect. Listening to the song improves my mood, regardless of how many times I listen to it. I've listened to the song thousands of times. The relaxed pace of the song allowed me to really enjoy the guitar ryths, drum beats and vocals.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #37 on: 01 October 2010, 12:33:33 »

I didn't mind the guitar ryths in Protection. Some of them were great. I think the loss of Vibeke's opera-esque vocals hurt this song's balance. Her voice really worked well with the growling vocals. I think the Italian singer who has replaced her is good, but she needs to follow more in Vibeke's footsteps. Vibeke's voice was one of the main strengthes for Tristania in the past.

I'm sorry, but "Protection" is a song co-written by Mariangela and she brought in the main theme of this song. With Vibeke there would be no "Protection".

And from this interview with Ole:
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The band only had one criterion set for the new singer, and that was that she must be different than the previous one.


@Flash: I just read your comment about the backing vocals in Mariangela's second part in Illumination: I wasn't aware of them with the first couple of listens to the album, but those gospel/soul-like "screams" are sick! I really like them!
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #38 on: 02 October 2010, 06:22:16 »

I've listened to a Year of The Rat a few times since I commented on it. The song is growing on me -- including the keyboard tunes! It's different to Tristania's regular music, but it's good. I suppose it's good to have a bit of variety. Only thing with variety is it takes time for older fans to adjust.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #39 on: 02 October 2010, 06:30:43 »

I didn't mind the guitar ryths in Protection. Some of them were great. I think the loss of Vibeke's opera-esque vocals hurt this song's balance. Her voice really worked well with the growling vocals. I think the Italian singer who has replaced her is good, but she needs to follow more in Vibeke's footsteps. Vibeke's voice was one of the main strengthes for Tristania in the past.

I'm sorry, but "Protection" is a song co-written by Mariangela and she brought in the main theme of this song. With Vibeke there would be no "Protection".

Fair enough. It's a nice song. Mariangela has done a good job.

I'll be listening to this song a fair bit while I exercise at the gym.

And from this interview with Ole:
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The band only had one criterion set for the new singer, and that was that she must be different than the previous one.

How will Tristania go about singing the band's older songs at concerts? They won't be the same without Vibeke's voice.
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