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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #40 on: 02 October 2010, 07:52:24 »

I really like Illumination.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #41 on: 02 October 2010, 10:12:27 »

the How will Tristania go about singing the band's older songs at concerts? They won't be the same without Vibeke's voice.

Well, it isn't meant to be the same. Mariangela is capable of doing high notes, but has a different accent and has another background/training. I think only The Shining Path and Beyond the Veil are played live which require high notes to be sung. And the end of Libre has been changed, containing parts of Libre|Deux http://tristania.com/d%26m/mu/section.asp?sNo=7&pNo=59
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #42 on: 02 October 2010, 21:45:55 »

And from this interview with Ole:
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The band only had one criterion set for the new singer, and that was that she must be different than the previous one.

How will Tristania go about singing the band's older songs at concerts? They won't be the same without Vibeke's voice.

I've seen three concerts with Mariangela now, and I think the answer to your question is: brilliantly! Are the old songs sounding exactly the same as with Vibeke? No. Is there a huge difference? No. Do they sound equally brilliant? Definitely! Beyond the Veil, which they played this last weekend, is every bit as gothic as it always was. Mary has no problem staying true to the old vibe.

Now, I do imagine that there are some older tracks that might not suit her voice that well, like Destination Departure, Deadlocked and the likes, where Vibeke's sirene operatics are key. But such tracks were never common during live shows anyway. And there are even more tracks that gain a lot from Mary's powerful vocals, like for example Down, which they closed the release party setlist with. That definitely wouldn't be possible during the Vibeke era, as it with her frail voice falls rather flat. With Mary it has turned into a real powerhouse of a track, worty of ending an evening with!

So, don't worry about the live shows! Regardless of where you stand in the (tiresome) Vibby VS Mary discussion, Tristania anno 2010 sounds tighter, stronger and better than ever before. I love WW, BtV and WoG as much as the next guy, but am not looking back - Mary is a very accomplished singer, and she has definitely found her place in the band. I think Rubicon is very powerful proof of that.

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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #43 on: 03 October 2010, 06:20:08 »

Overall, I really liked the album. I liked it more than Illumination, Mariangela definitely brings new energy to the band and in this album she shows her talent. In some songs she reminds me of Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil, she also has her own style. Energetic and intense, haunting in some songs .

I especially loved the song Sirens and Protection, the style reminds me of the album Illumination but in better. Mariangela fits in perfectly with the new direction Tristania is taking ( post Ashes)

However, there is one song that I disliked, Magical Fix. I really don't like high pitch male vocals and the music which sounded straight from a power metal band . I definitely did not fall under the spell. But if I forget that song, Rubicon is a great album
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« Reply #44 on: 03 October 2010, 12:19:36 »

I purchased Vultures and Illumination off iTunes. I'm a huge fan of Illumination.

The guitar ryths in Illumination are as perfect as the ones in my favourite song, Equilibrium.

What I love about the ryths in Illumination and Equilibrium is their tempo: they're slow enough to allow me to enjoy each distorted (and sometimes clean) sound of the powerchords and fingering, but quick enough to sound lively and motivating. Far too many metal bands play their ryths at a tempo that makes it hard to focus on the individual sounds. Tristania are the masters at piecing together a well timed ryth. Nothing sounds better than a chain of well-timed distorted power chords.

I have to say that I'm a huge fan of Year of the Rat. I wasn't that keen on it when I first heard it, but it's won me over. It reminds me of some of the songs on Lacuna Coil's Karmacode.
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« Reply #45 on: 03 October 2010, 12:22:56 »

And from this interview with Ole:
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The band only had one criterion set for the new singer, and that was that she must be different than the previous one.

How will Tristania go about singing the band's older songs at concerts? They won't be the same without Vibeke's voice.

I've seen three concerts with Mariangela now, and I think the answer to your question is: brilliantly! Are the old songs sounding exactly the same as with Vibeke? No. Is there a huge difference? No. Do they sound equally brilliant? Definitely! Beyond the Veil, which they played this last weekend, is every bit as gothic as it always was. Mary has no problem staying true to the old vibe.

Now, I do imagine that there are some older tracks that might not suit her voice that well, like Destination Departure, Deadlocked and the likes, where Vibeke's sirene operatics are key. But such tracks were never common during live shows anyway. And there are even more tracks that gain a lot from Mary's powerful vocals, like for example Down, which they closed the release party setlist with. That definitely wouldn't be possible during the Vibeke era, as it with her frail voice falls rather flat. With Mary it has turned into a real powerhouse of a track, worty of ending an evening with!

So, don't worry about the live shows! Regardless of where you stand in the (tiresome) Vibby VS Mary discussion, Tristania anno 2010 sounds tighter, stronger and better than ever before. I love WW, BtV and WoG as much as the next guy, but am not looking back - Mary is a very accomplished singer, and she has definitely found her place in the band. I think Rubicon is very powerful proof of that.

Thanks for the info. I rely on testimonies from the board's members because I've never had the opportunity to see the band live. I'd have to travel a long distance to see a Tristania concert.

I'm learning to appreciate the talents that are unique to Mariangela and Vibeke.

Morten has a great voice. So does his replacement.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #46 on: 04 October 2010, 18:18:35 »

I'm already addicted ! So there must be something good about this album.
The melodies are so well made, the riffs, the vocals. this is what tristania is being all about. Lyrically it could be a bit more poetic.
Again the singers are just right, it makes it so energetic. Some songs sent shivers down my spine.

Production is fat and clear. But not too 'loud' imho.

What got me on my nerves was, that nearly all songs are way too short, except illumination. The elements are so well worked out. But they don't give them time to elaborate and to have effect. The songs are all pressed into a intro-verse-refrain-verse-refrain-bridge-refrain-outro scheme. I always liked to drift away into the epic and non-pop compositions of their earlier releases.

Year of the Rat: Catchy, a song that can easily be played on the radio, and thus a bit popish. nice acoustic guitars. 8/10
Protection: Nice subject lyricalwise, mary shines in the verses. The chorus is repeated far too often, and gets easily on my nerve. and its far too short. a pity 5/10
Patriot Games: Ah yes, for me the songs that could've easily fit into footage of 'Apocalypse Now!'. The nonsense of War, of being a fighting soldier, the irritating madness, the killing spree, has been well caught! BUT, why have they pressed those feelings and impressions into a scheme of a pop song! The bridge with the grinding guitars could have easily been played twice as long with some variations in it. yet a very cool song. 6/10
The Passing: Love it, nice vocals, makes me drown in sadness. but the same applies here, it could have been even more tragic when there would've been more variation and more focus on the single elements. 9/10
Exile: YES! Mariangela for the win. A 9 for the rock/pop structure  9/10
Sirens: Nothing left to say. Favourite song. The singers , the arrangements, perfect match. esp. when mary sings along in the chorus: orgasmic!  A song to get into. 10/10
The Emerald Piper: And another nice one. Here the simpler arrangement works perfectly. A tristanian interpretation of goth rock! 10/10
Vulture: Another so-so. The atmosphere: perfect. really dark and desperate. BUT again all fucking pressed into a rock scheme. The heavily distorted guitars in the last chorus + outro, would have made a nice loong bridge. 6/10
Amnesia: Made me cry again, and drown in sorrow. NICE! Kjetil and Mary shine shine shine 10/10
Magical Fix: This is a strange song. need to listen to it more often. but has cool elements. ?/10
Illumination: Ah yes, finally out of the cage, tristania let go and getting epic. The rock/pop scheme loosened, Kjetil in awesome-mode, and the lullaby ending from osten. Oh yeah! 10/10

Average rating 8.5 / 10
adding a Bonus for the awesomness of Rubicon: 9.5/10

This is it. Like it, like it, like it.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #47 on: 04 October 2010, 18:30:08 »

Thanks for your review!

Funnily enough I find both "The Passing" and "Amnesia" the inferior songs on the album (still they're okay).
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #48 on: 05 October 2010, 09:22:17 »

Well, to add, even though Rubicon isn't exactly the best thing I ever heard, the album has slowly grown and it's still growing on me, and what I noticed that with listening to it, I also came accustomed to the whole ''new band'' thingie. This is the sound that I'm connecting to the new line-up and well, as a whole, I'm liking it, even though a couple of months ago I was clearly defending my statement, that the band should change the name due to all the changes, but now I realized that would be stupid.  And I'd be more than happy if I got the opportunity to see them live (but they're never touring anywhere near :( ).

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« Reply #49 on: 05 October 2010, 10:13:11 »

Well, to add, even though Rubicon isn't exactly the best thing I ever heard, the album has slowly grown and it's still growing on me, and what I noticed that with listening to it, I also came accustomed to the whole ''new band'' thingie. This is the sound that I'm connecting to the new line-up and well, as a whole, I'm liking it, even though a couple of months ago I was clearly defending my statement, that the band should change the name due to all the changes, but now I realized that would be stupid.  And I'd be more than happy if I got the opportunity to see them live (but they're never touring anywhere near :( ).

Hah! I knew you'd come around eventually.. ;)
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« Reply #50 on: 06 October 2010, 13:38:16 »

Well, I did mention several times after Vibeke's departure and Mary's coming to the band, that I'm sure the band will take the right direction with her, same goes after Osten's departure. I'm still not feeling it hearing/seeing live footage of ''the new Tristania'' doing ''the old Tristania'' songs, but I do feel it well with Rubicon. And having high hopes that Rubicon is like a new beginning and the successor will be (even?) better.

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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #51 on: 07 October 2010, 01:37:46 »

Listened to "Caprice", I have to get used to it, but it isn't bad.
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« Reply #52 on: 10 October 2010, 15:28:44 »

I like it a lot, dare I say more than any past Tristania album overall. No one individual track stands out to me as much as say, Tender Trip On Earth or Shadowman (or even Angellore, back in the day) did, but as an album overall it feels much more cohesive than any other Tristania release. I guess I would say it's the most "solid" Tristania album.
My only major complaint with it is the production isn't the best. Whoever mixed and mastered this album didn't do a particularly great job, especially when it comes to the guitars. When I first heard the digital version I assumed the muddy guitars were down to the usual low quality of digital downloads, but then I got the CD and it's exactly the same there. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on a properly mastered vinyl copy, see if it gets any better. It's like every guitar part was recorded at the same time using just one microphone and then someone decided to throw everything between 800Hz and 3.2kHz in the bin. Lots of sludgy bass, some piercing top-end and nothing else. It's a shame because everything else sounds decent, the guitars just got screwed over for some unknown reason.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #53 on: 14 October 2010, 14:18:21 »

Maybe because the guitars operate in the same range as the vocals?

Anyway, someone nudged me to do write my own review. Like I've written in other threads at this forum it's on par or in the same region as "Beyond the Veil" (maybe even ahead of it) in my opinion. I'll break my review down on a track to track base. I think all tracks are at least okay, so no bad tracks on this album.

Kicking of with album opener Year of the Rat: a catchy track with nice drumming by Tarald during the verses (I'd sure listen more to radio if they'd play tracks like these) and an energetic chorus. I like it! (8,5/10)
Protection is the first ballad of the album (although it isn't a love-song). During the past few years I started to prefer the more energetic Tristania songs over the ballads, but this track is an exception. Lovely singing by Mariangela with a nice twist near the end. Also one of my favourite tracks of this album. (9/10)
Ah, Patriot Games, how I love thee! This track has everything I like in modern Tristania: great vocals, energy, an instrumental part to dance/jump around to and a gorgeous outro. This track is one of the main causes I sing a lot lately (and sometimes end up with a sore throat after hours of singing). Definately my favourite track on the album! (10/10)
After the assault of the previous track The Passing is one of my least favourite songs on this album, but there are lots of people who like it. At a gig someone said the track got him goosebumps. So personally I don't care as much for it as other tracks on this album. (7/10)
I'll be short on Exile: nice song, great chorus. (7,5/10)
Sirens seems to be one of the more grim songs on the album, especially during the start. I really like the acoustic part at the "Wall of Silence" and somehow reminds me of Opeth. (7,5/10)
Before I repeat myself, read the Patriot Games-review for The Emerald Piper. (10/10)
Vulture is also one of the least accessible tracks on the album in my opinion, but good nonetheless. I love the chorus! (7,5/10)
For Amnesia I direct you to the review of The Passing, minus the goosebumps comment. But I really like the part halfway the song starting with "Breaking out and breaking down" (6,5/10).
It's hard to miss Magical Fix with it's odd intro (3/4, 3/4, 3/4, 2/4 or so) at the start. Even though it's the oddest track on the album I really like it. One of the best tracks! (9/10)
Illumination: the first half of the track is good, but the second half is great! Something I'd really like to highlight on this track is Mariangela's part following the "chorus" after the halfway buildup which would fit well on a Pink Floyd album (it reminds me of their "The Wall (part 2)"). Outrageously low in the mix during Mary's "Master, tell us what to do" are some damn great screaming-like vocals, which you usually only hear in the most passionate gospel- and soulsongs. Honestly, this is one of the most original things I've heard in a while in "gothic metal" (even though I think it's a fan-created bullshit genre pasted without regards on a lot of different bands and genres) and I hope it gets utilised more often in the future, with more attention to it in the mix. This will increase the gap inbetween Tristania and the Tristania-clones who keep copying the old style, it might alienate fans of the old style even more, but I only encourage that. They hold back and parasite on the energy this new line-up has and in who I believe even more than previous line-ups.
Sorry for starting to rant in a review, but I'm passionate about stuff like this. Anyway, I give this track an 8 out of 10. (8/10)

Like I said in the rant, I believe more in the current line-up than past line-ups (even though I got along fine with members in those line-ups as well) and I really hope they get the chance to go professional. And IŽll do my best to help the band in achieving that.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #54 on: 14 October 2010, 20:50:28 »

Ooh yes, the last two minutes or so of Illumination are fantastic. I think that's probably the highlight of the album for me. You've got what I'm guessing is Mariangela doubled up and distorted through the left channel and what I figure is Anders really low in the mix on the right channel, great effect. Patriot Games has some great vocal layering during the chrous too. While, as I said before, I'm a little disappointed with the odd recording quality of the guitars ons ome of the tracks, every vocal track makes up for it. They've been mixed beautifully, some really genius sound design. Probably the best use of multiple singers I've ever heard outside of a few classical pieces.
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« Reply #55 on: 15 October 2010, 07:56:22 »

I'm back, the new album has inspired me to post again  :D
It's good but not quite excellent. There's a few tracks like a Year of the Rat and Protection which I just couldn't get into but when Patriot games hit my media player I got excited  :)
Sirens, The passing,Amnesia and Illumination were all excellent(they really reminded me of the old Tristania style). Exile wasn't too bad either. There was one bit(forget which song) where I think it's Ole singing but it's a high range not his usual growls. It just didn't sound that great. I know I'm being a bit harsh but that's just my opinion. But that's not to say it's bad, it has quite a few good songs which I enjoyed and Mariangela sings quite well.
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Re: Well, let's hear your opinions.
« Reply #56 on: 20 October 2010, 21:14:22 »

I've just listened  to it once, I still got to listen to it more in order to give it a proper review, but so far it's ok. It's good but i think think Tristania has lost their soul, it doesn't sound anything like the old albums anymore, it's like a whole new band, their good but not even close to what they use to be. And regarding Mary I think she's great but Vibeke was a goddess, even thugh Mary does a good job I miss Vibeke like hell she's my favorite singer of all time. The old Tristania is my favorite band of them all, this new band is good but I whish they tried to go back  to their roots.
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« Reply #57 on: 20 October 2010, 21:18:33 »

Overall, I really liked the album. I liked it more than Illumination, Mariangela definitely brings new energy to the band and in this album she shows her talent. In some songs she reminds me of Cristina Scabbia of Lacuna Coil, she also has her own style. Energetic and intense, haunting in some songs .


It also reminded me a lot to Lacuna Coil, but not only Mary but the whole new sound of the band.
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« Reply #58 on: 20 October 2010, 22:42:12 »

I just hope I won't get the ''old Tristania fan'' label over and over again, I think I have the right to share my opinion and I embraced all the changes in this band and the new direction they're going. Basically, ''Protection'' is the only song that has been playing from my Winamp for the past three days  ;D I love that song so much.

What's wrong about being an "old Tristania fan"? You make it sound as if it was a bad thing, it's ok for some of us to dislike the new direction Tristania has taken or at least miss their old style, I actually find it very hard to love their new sound when you used to be a die hard fan of them considering they sound really differnte now.
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« Reply #59 on: 22 October 2010, 20:30:14 »

Been a while since I posted here... So many new faces, and maybe one or two I recognize from the old days...

Anyway - Rubicon - I like it. It's not my favorite Tristania album, but I do like it anyway.

I'm getting terribly old I fear, so my posts are not the long winded ones I made in the past, but I just wanted to voice my support for the band ;)

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